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 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: How good can we expect the average driver to be?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 23:30 

Replies: 85
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Personally I would strongly oppose any proposals for more rigorous testing that in practice would have the effect of substantially reducing the number of licensed drivers. Of course safety is important, but so is the liberation, flexibility and convenience provided by mass car use, which in my view...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: How good can we expect the average driver to be?

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 22:13 

Replies: 85
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Most people seems to be thinking of fairly drastic and wholesale changes. I don't believe that's right. Sorry Paul, I'm going to disagree with you on that one. The average standard of driving is just that - pretty average. Most people however think they are far better than they really are, and the ...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: How good can we expect the average driver to be?

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 00:45 

Replies: 85
Views: 29684


Ok, most of the people on the forum are fairly keen on driving and take it fairly seriously, but how good can we expect the average driver to be? To make a feeble analogy, everybody has to eat and most people cook, some people are rubbish cooks and others are very good. Are the people that drive be...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Surveillance, an invasion of privacy?

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 01:36 

Replies: 10
Views: 4652


Gixxer wrote:
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I would go so far as to suggest that we could bring down governments.

To bring down an entire government would require an armed coup with a shed load of soldiers


That's not what happened to Ted Heath's government!

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Surveillance, an invasion of privacy?

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 01:24 

Replies: 10
Views: 4652


The main problem I have is funding. With better funding I could do very much more. The way things are (shoestring I think you call it), there's a great deal I simply can't do. Any ideas or assistance with funding (or fundraising) would be very much appreciated. You can make a donation or join Safe ...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: You have nothing to fear if you stick to the speed limit

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 01:15 

Replies: 28
Views: 14187


Magistrates are not experts in traffic law and are unlikely to understand the significance of the signage. Surely, in order to judge a person fairly, the magistrate has to have extensive knowledge of the traffic regulations or, an advisor who has that knowledge. If what you say is true then justice...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Surveillance, an invasion of privacy?

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 01:04 

Replies: 10
Views: 4652


It has just occurred to me that we motorists appear to take surveillance for granted. We know we are watched by CCTV, checked by SPECS, observed by countless traffic policemen and scameras; and we accept all this as normal! We have become brainwashed by the continual propaganda levelled at the motor...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: You have nothing to fear if you stick to the speed limit

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 00:28 

Replies: 28
Views: 14187


Magistrates are not experts in traffic law and are unlikely to understand the significance of the signage. Surely, in order to judge a person fairly, the magistrate has to have extensive knowledge of the traffic regulations or, an advisor who has that knowledge. If what you say is true then justice...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: A different class of criminal?

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 20:20 

Replies: 96
Views: 37493


The limit currently in force would be clearly displayed with frequent repeater signs. Although they don't vary with time, in the USA they have speed limits on different roads of 25mph, 30mph, 35mph, 40mph etc. Small residental roads usually carry a limit of 25mph. And busier roads (eg decent B-road...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: A different class of criminal?

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 22:13 

Replies: 96
Views: 37493


The problem is that many drivers cannot judge what is a safe speed, and speed limits are so often seen as targets, particularly in the fastest lane on the road (which may be the only lane on a single-carriageway) such that any traffic not driving at such a speed is holding up the rest of the traffi...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 00:15 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


My view on motorway speed limits is that it is primarily speed differentials rather than absolute speeds that are the important factor. I believe that for safety, you need to have neither too much nor too little speed differential between vehicles. My non-scientific estimate of the optimum would be...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 00:05 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


If we could increase the speed of the slowest vehicles, I therefore believe we could reasonably safely increase the speed of the fastest vehicles, too, to correspondingly more than 90mph. Personally I feel "attentive" driving at 90. Not overly confident, but definitely attentive. Anything over 90 s...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 23:57 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


I think there is merit in your suggestion, albeit in a modified form. Those who wished to could take a series of advanced tests over a period of time. Success would be rewarded by reduced insurance premiums (much as happens now with advanced driving tests) but, critically, the certificates could be...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 23:53 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


I am at an age (59) when I can remember the late fities and the sixties, and the gradual spread of motoring in the UK, and reading some old 'Autocar' magazines I was given recently it is obvious that there were far more fatalities; nearly twice as many as now, with a lot less traffic. Of course the...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 23:07 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


...motoring is a form of natural selection. The inadequate, careless and stupid perish, and the good get better. You can't argue with nature! :wink: Hiya goldminer, I tend to agree with your basic approach as per the bulk of your post, but the bit I've quoted above worries me. While the inadequate,...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Are zebra crossings dangerous?

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 00:13 

Replies: 49
Views: 20899


I might be confused about this, but if someone is near to the crossing, and could be on the crossing in a fraction of a second, wouldn't you have to stop just in case? If they do walk onto the crossing, then you will have to give way, so it's surely the driver's responsibility to always make sure t...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 23:46 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


as stated before i agree no change in urban areas, but m ways and dual carraigeways increase to 80 90 ish, maybe restricted to the outside lane therefore avoiding potential accidents at onslips You see, you are doing it too! You consider that it might be OK (with you) if the limit was raised to 80-...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 23:39 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


I'd be interested to see the effect on fatality and SI stats of a 110-120mph limit on three lane motorways, with a different focus of attention by the enforcers emphasising the risks associated with discourtesy, carelessness, inattention, intimidation and aggression, also taking into account vehicl...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Safe speed, a driver's view.

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 22:16 

Replies: 34
Views: 15095


Hello again all. Now that I have learned how some members think about speed and safety, I thought I would advance some personal views for discussion: One thing strikes me on reading many of the posts in this forum. Members rarely agree what constitutes a safe/reasonable/sensible speed for any given ...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: A different class of criminal?

 Post subject: Appreciation
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 22:11 

Replies: 96
Views: 37493


Thanks to everyone who contributed to this topic. It has been stimulating, educational and (at times) amusing. It's clear to me that we have some deep thinkers among our midst who can express their thoughts with eloquence and clarity. I look forward to future debates with great enthusiasm! :lol:
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