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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:44
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| Back to (a paraphrase of) the original question: What evidence is there that rigid adherence to numerical speed limits is more beneficial to safety than driving within the spirit of the law. Define rigid adherence . Aiming to drive such that you never exceed the posted speed limit, as indicated on ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 09:25
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| Ooh! You healthy livin' musesli munching, veggie burger guzzler - you! :lol: :lol: Well, if you're going to wear lycra you have to keep yourself in shape... ( I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you weren't having another sly dig at my sexuality. ) Keep getting overtaken by cyclists ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 09:15
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| ( Oh, and by the way, speed limits don't apply to bicycles. Cue more rants about how the hard-done-by motorist is getting shafted by oppressive cyclists... ) You are Guy Chapman and I claim my £5! I'm sorry to disappoint you, but there is more than one cyclist out there who is fed up with selfish M... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 09:20
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JimB wrote: Back to (a paraphrase of) the original question:
What evidence is there that rigid adherence to numerical speed limits is more beneficial to safety than driving within the spirit of the law.
Define rigid adherence. |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 09:19
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| We are not talking of OTT speeding - but the kind of marginal and short overspeeds which we all make on occasion - and that does include you whether you are pedalling "fast and furiously" :wink: or in your partner's car! :wink: How do you define OTT speeding ? 20% over the limit ? Why not just rais... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 16:00
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| I don't know why you're so hung up on this "rigid adherence" thing. Could it be because the present régime of enforcement concentrates on "rigid adherence", so approving of cameras implies approval of this? Speed camera provide an incentive for drivers to obey the speed limit. I suggest that the te... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Calling Basingwerk (and others) |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 15:10
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| Basingwerk, 3) What evidence do you have to suppose or suggest that rigid adherence to a speed limit might be important to road safety? I don't know why you're so hung up on this "rigid adherence" thing. You don't talk darkly about "rigid adherence" to type tread depths, MOT testing, or blood-alcoh... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Heydecker, Regression to the mean and me |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 09:18
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| Professor Mervyn Stone (UCL) See... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/politics/speedcameras2_20040624.shtml ... Where the BBC are due to publish a report by Professor Mervyn Stone including the quote above and much more information about speed cameras and regression to the mean. Publication... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 13:51
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| Clearly countless tens of thousands of road deaths are avoided each year by driver response - just imagine how many would die if all drivers shut their eyes at once and carried on driving for 30 seconds - say at noon tomorrow - and that's just one day. But no-one is advocating that everybody drive ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:38
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| So because I'm not a driver of above average ability, I shouldn't be able to offer views on road safety policy, despite that fact I use the roads as a cyclist, pedestrian, and ( sometimes ) driver ? As driving is an everyday activity performed by a large majority of adults, it's not unreasonable to... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 08:57
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| It took me six attempts to pass my driving test; I drive about twice a week; my girlfriend complains that I "drive like a tourist" and I've an annual mileage of less than 2000. If I'm not of below average skill, then British drivers are a sorry shower indeed. In which case perhaps you should take s... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 08:51
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| The 12mph attempts to establish the relative importance of free travelling speed and something called "driver response". However, you don't define what "driver response" is, and refuse to answer questions about how it would be measured. Until you do that, the 12mph is meaningless. In this context d... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 15:05
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| I'm quite happy to admit that my driving skills are well below average. How can you tell? How do you define "average"? is it number of prangs or near-misses? It it passenger response to your driving? Is it not entirely possible that you, along with the large majority of the population, are inside a... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:18
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In Gear wrote: Jolls when you see hazard - brain registers and foot moves to brake pedal - normal time for you as Mr Average Numpty (not intended as offence - using as collective) in 0.7 seconds.
No offence taken - I'm quite happy to admit that my driving skills are well below average. |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 09:22
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| In other words, you have discovered that drivers tend to slow down when they see a hazard, rather than ploughing straight into it. Ground-breaking work indeed, on a par with discovering that the sky is blue, and water is wet. Perhaps you would like to reference any other work that moves towards put... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:46
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| Returning once more to the 12mph page: What is the mechanism for causation of fatality in drivers in a 12mph collision in a modern car? 12mph is a pretty big impact you know. And the formula suggests that 1 in 1,300 might be expected to die. Incorrect. As has been pointed out to you many times befo... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:25
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| The thing that upsets me is that whenever one asks a question that might actually be revealing he simply doesn't answer. :( There's a phrase concerning pots and kettles that comes to mind. You've got a politician's instinct for dodging difficult questions yourself. That's false. I'll have a stab at... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Poor Old guy gets a raw deal. |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 08:53
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SafeSpeed wrote: The thing that upsets me is that whenever one asks a question that might actually be revealing he simply doesn't answer. 
There's a phrase concerning pots and kettles that comes to mind. You've got a politician's instinct for dodging difficult questions yourself. |
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Forum: General Chat Topic: TRAFFIC POLICE VERSUS SCAMERAS |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 14:53
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| So quoting great chunks of HC and Ripley is insulting? Not subscribing to your point of view is insulting? No, accusing me of being a dangerous driver because I choose to obey the speed limit is insulting. The terms "stoopid", "blinkered", and "limited IQ" are insulting. And expecting other road us... |
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Forum: General Chat Topic: TRAFFIC POLICE VERSUS SCAMERAS |
| Jolly Roger |
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:12
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| You could as Paulie suggests - use Tachophile - but word does not sound as sordid -- does it! Or there's petrolhead, leadfoot, cameraphobe, criminal, Max Power subscriber, Clarkson-worshipper, Mansell-wannabe... :lol: :lol: No problem with those - they do not have have sordid connotation. "Criminal... |
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