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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 18:59
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| I'm an 18 year old driver, I passed at 17 but didn't start driving until I was 18. I had a large gap between my test and my first car, so for a while I'd virtually forgotten how to drive and I can definitely say that I was a self-diagnosed poor driver at that time. I'd also add that I knew I was hi... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 14:18
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| I'm an 18 year old driver, I passed at 17 but didn't start driving until I was 18. I had a large gap between my test and my first car, so for a while I'd virtually forgotten how to drive and I can definitely say that I was a self-diagnosed poor driver at that time. I'd also add that I knew I was hi... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:56
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| Hi Chris I am sure you must have read D'Estaing's reservations as to the "cosmetics" of the current "Treaty" in which - according to the former French President - we appear to be giving away essential rights. I pray we keep sovereignty. I've Uncles who I never met. They died fig... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 22:34
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| I appreciate all of yoru comments but I must pick up especially on this one. Hoping will not change the path f what has begun now with us entering Europe. The recent discussion about the 6th treaty which forced Brown to change the whcih veto's we were going to lose and whcih we could keep has been ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 09:42
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| I have been unwilling to put a figure on a suitable acceleration limit because I think it is something which requires a discussion. However, nobody seems to want to discuss it , preferring to believe that joining motorways and overtaking slower cars will just naturally be more dangerous. I'll take ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 09:41
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| I have been unwilling to put a figure on a suitable acceleration limit because I think it is something which requires a discussion. However, nobody seems to want to discuss it , preferring to believe that joining motorways and overtaking slower cars will just naturally be more dangerous. I'll take ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 23:59
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| I didn't realise that the discussion had progressed to the final cost already. I must have missed that. No, I gave an overview of my opinion. You didn't miss anything - except the rest of my post. ...such a system could hardly be cheaper, and trying to use the cost argument to gain leverage is poin... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 23:29
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| I was going to put this on a thread in its own right as it's a letter, written by Allan Ramsey of Roadpeace which appeared in the Bolton News last night and which my sisters have passed on to me. Somehow on a thread about young drivers - it seems appropriate to put this bloke's point of view across... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 20:57
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| I have been unwilling to put a figure on a suitable acceleration limit because I think it is something which requires a discussion. However, nobody seems to want to discuss it , preferring to believe that joining motorways and overtaking slower cars will just naturally be more dangerous. I'll take ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 20:11
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| Can we begin to guess what the causes are already? No, absolutely not! Guesses and gut-shots will do nothing to improve road safety, and have already done it damage! Nothing more true has been said on this thread thus far. Let's take the two most supported objections to my idea so far and analyse t... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 18:03
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| Keep your pyjamas on. I was still fully dressed actually WHat's a dangerous speed ? You don't say, so it's down to me to define the boundary conditions of your argument only to allow you to change them through disagreement later.So lazy, so very lazy. I wanted your understanding of what constitutes... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 14:28
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| Broadly young drivers are limited already by thier bank ballances and insurance companies. Parents can lend high powered cars but usually don't if the driver dosent warrant that trust. Indeed. Owners won't appreciate having to pay the overhead for a mandatory control system which they themselves wi... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 14:14
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| You missed out a whole post, fixitsan! I have also already said how it should be done, an open, honest, and blameless reporting chain, such that people can share details of their mistakes with others without fear of reproach, and everyone can learn from them. Wonderful , in theory. Now how can it b... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 08:58
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| Human error is a fact of...well...lets add some more pauses...for dramatic effect...like your previous melodramatic post...being human! We cannot eradicate human error as long as humans are at the controls, and believe me, again from my work, a human at the controls is a desirable thing! The only w... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 01:26
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| And, btw, road safety isn't physics; it's psychology. And by the way speed is all about physics, even safe speeds I should coco. Safe speed is all about human judgement. Very well, But when over 75% of accidents are caused by human error, how good do most drivers appear to be at using judgement eve... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 01:06
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| Very well, But when over 75% of accidents are caused by human error, how good do most drivers appear to be at using judgement even when presumably they have demonstrated it already on their driving test ? So many accidents are indeed caused by human error (in whatever form); we need to focus on thi... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 00:54
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| I'm confused. fixitsan - How would an acceleration limiter prevent drivers from driving recklessly? As far as I can determine a car which is limited for acceleration is the same as limiting the power output relative to the amount of travel on the accelerator; in other words making a powerful car be... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 23:02
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| And, btw, road safety isn't physics; it's psychology. And by the way speed is all about physics, even safe speeds I should coco. Safe speed is all about human judgement. Very well, But when over 75% of accidents are caused by human error, how good do most drivers appear to be at using judgement eve... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 22:45
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| I was going to put this on a thread in its own right as it's a letter, written by Allan Ramsey of Roadpeace which appeared in the Bolton News last night and which my sisters have passed on to me. Somehow on a thread about young drivers - it seems appropriate to put this bloke's point of view across... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Young driver problems - is it all about age ? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 21:57
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| The main problem with all this crap is that there's not one shread of evidence anywhere that acceleration is a significant cause of crashes. As I said, there is no evidence that swallowing gulls eggs, being grey haired or wearing trainers are significant causes of crashes, because there have been n... |
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