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Forum: Road Safety, Speed Camera and Policy News Topic: M25 Variable Speed Limits |
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 14:58
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| One final point. I have always thought that the VSL cameras were inoperative if there was no sign with a limit on the gantry, and hence have not really taken much notice of them, however last night at about 11:45 I was flashed on an almost empty M25 by the last gantry before the A3 on my way to Lea... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:54
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| Perhaps we'd find an accord if the wording was changed from 'know' to 'reasonably expect'? I'm not sure. I'm not an advanced driver but I don't think I've ever (ok not in a long time) driven to expectation which to my mind is another way of expressing "Reasonably expect". Is "know&qu... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:42
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| If they do and you hit them, your speed was inappropriate by definition. So do we agree? Not really, we have a responsibility to not pull out in front of someone, but of course the faster you go the longer the piece of road becomes where somebody else who introduces themselves to it in front of you... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:36
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| Good question. Given the incredible increase in the number of drivers passing their tests you might also ask why its not actually increasing. Sorry that's bull. The number of cars on the road has been increasing year on year since they were invented. KSIs increased year on year until the late 60's ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:24
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| Can you agree that if the speed is appropriate to the conditions then you are not going to collide with anything? Well sort of, but conditions is a very loose term. You might think that a speed is suitable for the conditions going down a road with lots of driveways on it, and it may well be, as lon... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:22
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| Why do you think that road KSI have failed to continue the falling trend since the reduction in Traffic Police and the introduction of automated enforcement? KSI's are still falling, the assertion is that they are falling at a slower rate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5387568.stm Okay.... Why is t... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:17
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| Yes but things come at you from the side as well, its not just about how far you can see, and what's more, you might not be able to see them, i.e. if you go around a corner too fast you might not see the sheep in the road until it's too late. Can you agree that if the speed is appropriate to the co... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 00:10
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| So why has the attention to speeding laws failed (miserably) to lower our KSI's? Can it be that over attention to an easily measurable yet insignificant safety factor could actually detract from the harder to measure, although important, safety factors, thereby reducing their effect on the overall ... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 23:53
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Weepej,
Does applying emphasis to the implementation of speeding laws impact road safety in a positive or negative way?
Either way please state your evidence. |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 23:49
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| , but by Safe Speed standards if you're not involved in an accident whilst doing something illegal it means it must be safe, right? What has legality and safety got in common? Laws are there to mitigate danger (well, that's their intention), seatbelt laws, red light laws, speeding laws, holding ont... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 23:40
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weepej wrote: , but by Safe Speed standards if you're not involved in an accident whilst doing something illegal it means it must be safe, right?
What has legality and safety got in common? |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 23:28
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| I'd rather the law was changed so I didn't risk breaking it while driving perfectly safely. You don't risk breaking it though do you, you KNOW you're breaking it; you know you're doing 35mph, or 65mph. Apologies if I've got you wrong here, but I don't think I have. Well, I fully expect to seeing yo... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: Daily Mail, January 28, 2008 |
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 00:44
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Valle Crucis wrote: Pete317 wrote: Rigpig wrote: If its a variable sum then it attracts the criticism of unfairness and bias against doing well for oneself. And you can bet your bottom boots that the meter maids etc would only target expensive cars. Yes, an added bonus, especially for me!
why is that? |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 00:14
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| Indeed surely its better to mix with people who oppose my view (and I theirs) than sit on a BB where I just agree with everything that everybody says. This is important and needs reiterating. The Safespeed campaign needs people who do not agree and it needs them to post on the forums. It has been r... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 23:49
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| Paul said himself on a number of occasions that used correctly a small number of well placed speed cameras may have had a positive benefit to road safety however it was their continual misuse by SCPs that were not contributing to road safety meant that they should all be removed. Well, he obviously... |
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Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law Topic: For all the trolls |
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 23:15
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| weepej, The Safespeed campaign is not black and white, we do not have "dissenters" we have supporters and non supporters, all of whom are welcome to discuss the use of the speed cameras in road safety policy, in fact of any issue in that arena, all will support or be un-supportive to vario... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: Removing speed cameras, well lives be saved? |
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 23:00
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| Guys I appreciate that crw's posts are not the easiest to read and I have to admit that I do find them quite confusing on occasion (ok on a lot of occasions) but can we please try to address the contents of the posts where possible, we are starting to attack the messenger when we should be discussin... |
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Forum: Help! I'm being prosecuted! Topic: a217 mobile speed camera |
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 15:17
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| If that's the case I shouldn't worry too greatly. If your speedo was only a blip above 40 then you were probably doing less than 40 and probably nowhere near the threshold. |
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Forum: Help! I'm being prosecuted! Topic: a217 mobile speed camera |
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 14:22
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| The prosecution threshold is usually 10% + 2mph as per the ACPO guidelines (Code of practice?), although in theory you can be prosecuted at any speed over the limit. This been the case if you were doing less than 46mph then you are unlikely to hear anything. Oh and your speedo can under read by 10% ... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: Why are there speed limits? |
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 21:50
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Replies: 92
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| Montana removed speed limits and the KSi's fell. Montana removed rural speed limits - it did not remove urban speed limits. Yes I appreciate the caveat, however the point was that speed limits do not necessarily reduce KSis and I believe that where trialled in Montana it was the case that KSIs fell... |
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