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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
| basingwerk |
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:44
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| SafeSpeed has a special, amusing vocabulary in the topsy-turvy world he is creating for the chumps who follow him about. Or on the other hand we might just delete libellous crap on sight. Point is this.. 30 mph in the vicinity of a school (one mile or so either way) is not a safe speed. Received, l... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:28
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| If you decide to define the word 'appropriate' in a context I disagree with then the best I can hope to do is to bite the bullet and ignore it each time it crops up. SafeSpeed might be right - if you take its other meaning, as a verb, it means to “take exclusive possession”, which is exactly what s... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:48
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SafeSpeed wrote: You seem to have ignored my suggestion!
That's nothing, SafeSpeed! You've deleted mine! |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
| basingwerk |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 17:26
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| Being able to stop comfortably within the distance that you know to be clear is an excellent approximation with no ifs, buts or maybes. No ifs, buts or maybes! Last week you were vehemently claiming that a person who ran over a pothole had NO responsibility for it. And this week, you expect people ... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 16:21
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| Thus, it is possible to drive within the limit (or attempt to) AND drive safely AND NOT get all bottom lip wobbly about having to do so. Hmmm, Boolean logic anyone :lol: ? OK, we can try that idea for a laugh. This might be coded in Java like this - driver.setEthicalStandardsMet(false); if ... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 15:46
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| As far as I can tell, he now reckons coppers should tell some people who go speeding through villages and towns that their behaviour is OK because it’s "appropriate". I just can't work him out at all. Where has he said that? That's the central anti-enforcement message be beams out whenever he gets ... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
| basingwerk |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 15:30
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| As far as I can tell, he now reckons coppers should tell some people who go speeding through villages and towns that their behaviour is OK because it’s "appropriate". I just can't work him out at all. Where has he said that? That's the central anti-enforcement message be beams out whenever he gets ... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 14:51
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| If we mean “any speed that the driver unilaterally decides suits him”, then say that, instead of all this annoying talk of being “appropriate”! Your blinkers are well and truly in place today aren't they? I tell you what... Why don't we forget all about driving safely and carefully and let's just t... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 14:43
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| Oooh, three pages in one morning; I wonder who's posting in this thread....oh. Yeah, that SafeSpeed fellow is at it again. As far as I can tell, he now reckons coppers should tell some people who go speeding through villages and towns that their behaviour is OK because it’s "appropriate". I just ca... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 13:37
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| Safety and legality can and do vary independently, so we need separate terms. That may be true, but imbuing illegal activity with properties of ‘appropriateness’ is, as RigPig says, mealy-mouthed (excellent choice of words, “Riggers”). So let’s just call it ‘selfish speeding’ rather than ‘appropria... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 13:24
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BottyBurp wrote: signs tell drivers that it is legal to do 30mph past schools at 3.32pm... Hmmmm, personally, I'd think that was not safe...
BottyBurp, have standards slipped that much? Refer to clause 103 of the
HC, where the words "You MUST NOT exceed " are used, then get
back to me. |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 13:19
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SafeSpeed wrote: absolute .. safe .. appropriate .. zero .. system risk .. matter of definition .. axiomatically true .. determined .. contributed .. by definition .. inappropriate blah blah blah.
Is Vicky Pollard still here! My advice - go back to acedemia – you’ve got
the right lingo, anyway! |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 13:14
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| Really? Then how would you use words to distinguish between a speed that is dangerous fast but legal and a speed that is both safe and legal? You are sliiping back to your old ways. Any speed that is dangerously fast is NOT legal! Unless you think you are allowed to inflict danger on people! I thin... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:58
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| Big time – “safe enough” is contentious as well, so you can't hang one definition on the other and pretend it’s all very nice. All drivers (you, me, safespeed, the lot) believe they are “safe” until the moment they smash someone in - it means jack shit, though! I've never caused an accident. Does t... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:44
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BottyBurp wrote: am I missing the point?
Big time – “safe enough” is contentious as well, so you can't hang one
definition on the other and pretend it’s all very nice. All drivers (you, me,
safespeed, the lot) believe they are “safe” until the moment they smash
someone in - it means jack shit, though! |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:30
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| I'd suggest that the term 'appropriate' must be applied to describe a speed that is 'safe and appropriate' for the conditions. No, drop the use of “appropriate” here because it has no definable meaning and is unhelpful. It is merely a short form of saying “OK in the perpetrator’s opinion”, and it a... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:16
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| the Safe Speed manifesto calls for the re-creation of a centre of driving excellence and a programme of 'culture management'. Yes, a Ministry of Information - George Orwell would be laughing his arse off! Are you suggesting that there is something wrong with providing honest and accurate informatio... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:48
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SafeSpeed wrote: the Safe Speed manifesto calls for the re-creation of a centre of driving excellence and a programme of 'culture management'.
Yes, a Ministry of Information - George Orwell would be laughing his arse off! |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:43
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| No but yeah but yeah but yeah no but yeah no but yeah... yeah I do believe you're starting to make sense. Please try to maintain this standard in future. I don't fink Vicky's listening, Safe Speed. But poor Vicky does allow us to see how much we depend on societal norms to interact well. The highwa... |
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Forum: Improving Road Safety Topic: If people followed the Highway Code |
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:35
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| To me, the Highway Code is the same as the driving test - it is purely the minimum standard - there is SO much more! Yes, the Highway Code is fine as a baseline, but it must not contain any false or damaging material. That would be unforgivable, and it should be changed if such material can be iden... |
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