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 Forum: Safe Speed in the News and Media   Topic: BBC1 TV News, 1st June 2007

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 15:36 

Replies: 15
Views: 30900


smeggy wrote:
Jub Jub wrote:
Make something feel unnatural and you'll pay more attention.

Pay more attention to what exactly?


To your environment, and your driving.

You wouldn't know this though would you Smeg? Anything below 40 and you're asleep, according to you :wink:

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Portsmouth: New 20mph limit 'will save lives'

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 14:59 

Replies: 367
Views: 108469


I'd like to remind folks of this (issued December 2006): PR423: The dangerous 20mph zone mystery news: for immediate release Safe Speed has today criticised Department for Transport and the Scottish Executive for failing to consider figures that show 20mph speed limit zones have crashes which are, ...

 Forum: Safe Speed in the News and Media   Topic: BBC1 TV News, 1st June 2007

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 14:57 

Replies: 15
Views: 30900


Let's hope you've thought of a better response than earlier then. "It could be quite marked and it could be quite dangerous – we just don’t know.” is just nonsense and meaningless. you just don't know says it all. "If you get to the point where a speed limit feels unnatural, it affects a d...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: mpaton2004's sig

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 16:08 

Replies: 101
Views: 43401


If you want to restart your argument that speeding up is a safer way of overcoming severe fatigue than pulling over and having a rest then go ahead. A new thread would be considerate.

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: mpaton2004's sig

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 14:09 

Replies: 101
Views: 43401


We won't get a substantive reply, because, on reflection, I realise that the sig is simply trolling. Trolling? Just because he has an opinion which doesn't match yours? That's not trolling. That's just someone with an informed but counter opinion. And one which has no agenda but one of safety. Neit...

 Forum: Road Safety, Speed Camera and Policy News   Topic: 10,000,000 'would share licence points'

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 13:53 

Replies: 6
Views: 3393


Is this 'points brokering'?

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 18:13 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


And then there's the factor that local authorities acknowledge dangerous driving around schools to the point where they won't actively encourage cycling because of the risks. Surely this is completely the wrong attitude for LA's to take?! Again, let's not focus our resources on curing symptoms, but...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 17:47 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


<lots of reasonable stuff> and asked, in essence, "how do we solve the problem of poor driving" The answer is very simple (although how do do it is less simple) - we have to improve average driver quality. Everying follows from that. If speed selection is a problem, it is a problem of dri...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 17:46 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


OK. So what do we do outside schools? As I said above, the education issue takes time. And for those it doesn't work on, it will take even longer to sort them out. What do we do in the mean time? It's all fine proposing that, but if it ever did happen it's a long way off isn't it? Do we have to wai...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 17:04 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


I think it would be benficial and constructive if we try to keep this one away from any cyclist v driver battle. After all, we're all drivers, all pedestrians, and many are cyclists. And, this being a road safety campaign, it's something that we should be talking about. And then there's the factor t...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 16:03 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


Robin, be careful, you're in danger of portraying yourself as one of those rabid types. This whole discussion on cycling to school started on the dark side. I don't expect you to read the whole 18 pages, which is mostly guff, but it came out of the fact that I have been told by my son's primary scho...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 15:33 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


we have children who should be encouraged to cycle to school, who want to cycle to school, but who are prevented because of the risk from dangerous drivers. Aren't they actually prevented from doing so by irrational fear, not helped one bit by the rabid dislike some pro-cycling (or indeed, pro-ANY ...

 Forum: General Chat   Topic: Disabled To Be Charged For Parking

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 14:01 

Replies: 70
Views: 26355


BottyBurp wrote:
Jub Jub wrote:
I take it then that if your house catches fire you'll be turning the fire engines away and uncoiling your garden hose then?

Stupid boy :roll:


No, it may be a flippant comment but it's a valid point.

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 13:59 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


Johnnytheboy wrote:
Note for the original poster:

Jub Jub is one of those C+ spammers I mentioned.


:wink: Let's let him make his own mind up about me shall we?

I don't think I've said anything spamworthy in this thread have I?

It's a valuable discussion.

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:24 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


Telling everyone that people should be able to judge their own safe speed doesn't make any difference. They aren't. It's impossible to control any vehicle safely, whether car, bike, boat, or skateboard, without judging what is a safe speed. The dangerous drivers out there need to be dealt with, but...

 Forum: General Chat   Topic: Disabled To Be Charged For Parking

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:54 

Replies: 70
Views: 26355


I take it then that if your house catches fire you'll be turning the fire engines away and uncoiling your garden hose then?

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: general consensus on judge of speed?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:22 

Replies: 37
Views: 15625


That's all well and good Paul, but we need to do something about what we have. And we have children who should be encouraged to cycle to school, who want to cycle to school, but who are prevented because of the risk from dangerous drivers. Telling everyone that people should be able to judge their o...

 Forum: General Chat   Topic: Disabled To Be Charged For Parking

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 16:27 

Replies: 70
Views: 26355


Birmingham is an interesting study Graham. The new Bullring opening, combined with the flooding of the centre with apartments, has dramatically changed things. Whereas previously people would park all over and shop in the whole city centre, now the majority aim for the Bullring by car, bus or train...

 Forum: General Chat   Topic: Disabled To Be Charged For Parking

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 14:01 

Replies: 70
Views: 26355


Yokel wrote:
Jub Jub wrote:
Why should those who don't park have to subsidise you?


Why should I have to subsidise swimming pools, playgrounds, parks and other things I don't use?


Because they're leisure facilities, and should be available to all, as they are beneficial to everyone. You should try some of them :wink:

 Forum: General Chat   Topic: Disabled To Be Charged For Parking

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 18:59 

Replies: 70
Views: 26355


Birmingham is an interesting study Graham. The new Bullring opening, combined with the flooding of the centre with apartments, has dramatically changed things. Whereas previously people would park all over and shop in the whole city centre, now the majority aim for the Bullring by car, bus or train....
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