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And you point is....

Use more fuel they moan, use less fuel they moan...You just can't please some people...

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Speed camera policy Kills

The message that they shouldn't go to work or buy food shopping?



And I suppose they would like to see cars use more fuel per mile just in order to screw the motorist? Yet in the last paragraph they said it was about environmental concern... unbelievable.

It's about cost. Their idea is tokeep raising the fuel duty to make it too expensive for people to drive their own cars and force us onto public transport.

The new Dot Web site thingy says it will take 3-5 times longer for me to get to work on public transport than by car.

(for those that don;t know it they have a new £50m scheme that you can put in a start and destination postcode and it is supposed to give you the best travel times by car, train, bus etc - except it doesn't work properly)

What the tw*ts at T2000 don't realise is that if they made car driving as expensive as public transport WE WILL STILL USE OUR CARS.

Mine is parked outside the house, avalable 24/7, has climate control, a decent sound system, good seats and is fun to drive.

You don't get that on a number 19 bus....

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Speed camera policy Kills

The idea to get the great unwashed out of their cars and into public transport is a EU idea (notice politicos never give up their cars which the tax payer generously funds).
I wonder what 50m could have been better spent on and it's a fair bet that outside of London you'll be quicker and (currently) cheaper by car. I wonder how high fuel tax will go if there is a labour chancellor after the next election

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Stupid is as Stupid does

I sometimes use the bus to go into town (Nottingham) to shop or for a few drinks, etc. I have intended to use it 15-20 times in the last year. 4 of these times the damn thing didn't turn up, seriously screwing with my plans. Two of these times I got a taxi, the other two I got in the car and drove.

We have no good alternative to the car unlike our european neighbours.

Similarly my journey to work is 12 miles and takes 20 - 35 minutes by car. To attempt the same journey on the bus takes over an hour and involves 2 buses into and out of town.

It is a shame as on the surface we have a cracking bus service but it is not reliable and difficult to use unless you are going to the city.

The government have us all over a barrel.

http://www.transport2000.org.uk/news/ma ... icleID=241

"An increase in rail freight would reduce our reliance on oil."

Accompanies picture of diesel loco. Doh!

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Says it all really!

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

I wonder what the fuel consumption of a bus with half a dozen passengers on board is?

A lot more than 6 cars I'll bet.

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Speed camera policy Kills

I wonder if T2000 have the figures available for how many town centres, supermarkts, garages, hospitals, schools, engineering firms, building sites, to name a few, have their own railway sidings.

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English first, British second,
European? What's that?

T 2000 say about there forum:-
Please note too that any messages containing inappropriate language are automatically filtered out.

I posted a message which did not contain inappropriate language, it's not my style, but it was not put on the forum. They must filter for other reasons. At least safe speed's forum gives all views a voice.

I read somewhere (sorry don't have the reference) that it had been worked out that a full passenger train, with every seat occupied, used about twice as much fuel, and had about twice the environmental impact, as the same number of people in private cars.

Does anyone know the source of this study?

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'The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal, regardless of the letter of statute'

Rioman, Herts

I think you'll find that they filter out anyone with the independence of mind or the temerity to express an heretical opinion..

"Apostate! Burn Him!!

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

No wonder they're so entrenched in their beliefs - they never see an opposing point of view.

Or do the moderators think that their members aren't intelligent enough to fight their own battles?
Could be that that's what they're worried about - any intelligent members might up and leave if they were allowed to think for themselves.

Cheers
Peter

I like to think of T2000 as the opposite of ABD. Both have extreme views at opposite ends of the spectrum. Fortunately the majority of us fall somewhere in between.

There is an important difference - T2000 is funded by the public transport industry, the ABD is funded entirely by individual subscriptions and donations.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I don't believe the ABD views can be classed as 'extreme'.

Cheers
Peter

I don't like the word "extreme" to describe views, I think it's overused.
On two occasions recently I have been labelled an extreme atheist. It's a cheap way of putting someones arguement down.
Although both T2000 and the ABD have different views I'm not going to call either extreme.

If i recall correctly it was carried out at Bristol Uni - if thats any help

Don't need the web site thingy - know that if i get a bus at 6.30 and another two trains and then walk about half a mile i'll still be half an hour late, then at stopping time . i'll have to walk about half a mile to get a train half an hour later to then have to wait up to an hour for a bus or walk 2 miles to get home at 7.30 at night.
By car it's about 20 mile on the M6 or 12 by the lanes - takes about half an hour.
Now why do i have a car??