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Your point is?

The limit is 50, so why do 70?

The limit was 70 before, so you probably did 80 or 90.


So why not allow me to use my initiative to drive at a safe speed above the limit, when It’s ok to expect me to use my initiative and drive at a safe speed below the limit.

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I would also suggest the Hazard Aware DVD and What If? DVD are also useful training tools to focus the mind as to potential hazards. Not perfect as the programme is geared to a certain timing on the mouse click and fails you for spotting it early as it "thinks you are manipulating". Wildy tells me one of the PH BiB once posted he found this to be a drawback when they as Trafpol trialled these tests. Experience wil see it develop and these are geared to learners. However, as a training tool - our kids found it of use to them.



My kids had a copy of the Hazard Aware DVD - which I failed miserably until I started to use it as a computer game.

It fails you if you spot more than one hazard and also if you spot them too early - the exact opposite of how your mind should work. Hazards never come one at a time! And the sooner you see them, the better!
It's a great idea but very difficult to be realistic.


Crikey, I had a go on one of these and as far as i'm concerned they should be banned!!! As far as i'm concerned, parked vehicles are a potential hazard yet I was marked down for choosing it. A vehicle that pulls up to a juction (and has the protential to overshoot that junction) is a potential hazard yet I was marked down for choosing it.

As far as i'm concerned, there is no right or wrong way to spot hazards as long as they're spotted, to get marked down for spotting what has the potential to be a hazard is plain bonkers. Interestingly enough, one thing the DVD doesn't show, is an odometer, I thought it was quite ironic that a hazard perception test wouldn't include the odometer. I'm quite sure however, that Paton will be on the telephone screaming at the publishers tomorrow.


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Dixie wrote:
mpaton2004 wrote:
Your point is?

The limit is 50, so why do 70?

The limit was 70 before, so you probably did 80 or 90.


So why not allow me to use my initiative to drive at a safe speed above the limit, when It’s ok to expect me to use my initiative and drive at a safe speed below the limit.



What, you mean use a little common sense???? :)

Wash you mouth out Dixie, surely only Daily mail readers could possibly come up with such a lethal scheme that would begin to allow people to use their brains. The Guardianistas couldn't possibly allow people to start thinking for themselves; honestly, whatever next? a democracy?


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mpaton2004 wrote:
I would agree, so why drive faster than it?

Because (I believe) that all and any restrictions/rules for the road should be there for safety's sake, and if going faster is perfectly safe (and in some instances, safer), then I will. I truthfully cannot remember the last time I ever rode/drove faster than the appropriate speed.

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mpaton2004 wrote:
Your point is?

The limit is 50, so why do 70?

The limit was 70 before, so you probably did 80 or 90.


No I didn't. I did about 65 because that was about right.

I still do 65. To hell with the new limit, it serves no purpose whatsoever.


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mpaton2004 wrote:
Your point is?

The limit is 50, so why do 70?

The limit was 70 before, so you probably did 80 or 90.


:hello: :hello: "jec" :wink:

Road in question was never closed to incident in its history. One big long safe "slip road" to the motorway really.

Whenever I drove along as the old A6144 (M) most travelled 60-65 mph with not one problem.

My own sisters noted as did Parrot that a cam van parked in the lay-by the week the limit changed downwards.. but neither sister reports seeing it since.. but do report most drove at 40 mph when it was classed a M road and many drive at 60-70 nowadays :wink: per their observations of driving along it now. :wink:

By the way Parrot ... they have also noted the lurking scam in the sewer works and both comment to me that it's an apt spot for a "sewer rat like that type" to lurk :hehe:

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My kids had a copy of the Hazard Aware DVD - which I failed miserably until I started to use it as a computer game.

It fails you if you spot more than one hazard and also if you spot them too early - the exact opposite of how your mind should work. Hazards never come one at a time! And the sooner you see them, the better!
It's a great idea but very difficult to be realistic.

I heard a chap on the radio a while back, he was the chairman of the British Association of Driving Instructors (or whatever the correct name for the organisation is) and he was complaining that the Hazard Perception test was more akin to an arcade game than real life. He also "complained" that he consistently failed it, whereas his wife, a non-driver, passed it every time! :-)


That's where it fails. It panders more to the "semi-literate" in some ways.

It would be better to make it more formal and freeze the frame perhaps with either a multiple choice to choose what they perceive the hazard to be or just write one or two short sentences or clause to explain what they think is the hazard. The way it is at them moment.. astute or experienced driver is clicking the mouse in agitation as they see exactly what the hazard is and in real life situation would have shaved speed off the speedo to accommodate this potential threat to safety, changed postion and so on.

I will post this to the related thread as well.. but the Chief of Driving Instructors did say that there is a tendency to practise only on the test routes so that the student driver will drive according to the rubric of the test and then be "lost completely" on new and unfamiliar ground when left to own devices - making silly and even tragically lethal mistakes. In fact, he echoed something which I posted to vonhosen on the PH site on this same topic .. when I described that the reason why we did the block lessons with our kids and then had them out with different family members in very different areas and times of the day was giving our young a varied experience routine and then tightening up in the two days before the big test day itself on the test routes. Could be why Durham's trainer was so far from "base" as well ;) The real test of "understanding" lies in the "unseen exam" where you apply what you have learned - and show and prove you have understood it. ;)

The guy said exactly what has been said by most of us and certainly by Paul ;) ....that drivers need experience and can only obtain this by driving on different roads and even the familiar roads in different road, time and weather conditions. Hence the call to allow the kids to practise earlier and for longer before being of age to take a driving test. It would help if after these lessons .. these children were taught to evaluate their drives and how they might improve and learn more in formal lesson time .

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If only it could take a wrong turn and end up in a flotation tank.....


:yesyes: :hehe:

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What the.......? :shock:


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The kids playing a first person shooter, what imbecile thought he was posting on forums?!?


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