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I looked up our "great political parties" on Wikipedia (not an authoritative source but probably correct)

"... the Conservative party still has more members (about 290,000) than the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats combined (around 200,000 and 70,000 respectively)"

So at 493,173 signatories, the petition is now bigger than the combined membership of the parties of David Bliar and Tony Cameroon and will soon surpass the combined membership of all three...

But I forgot - it's not representative - oh silly me :roll:


Nice point!

Nu-Lab was elected with the support of only 20% of the electorate. Had the Tories won they would not have done any better. They are all a shower and none of them have any real claim to represent us.

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494,728, any chance it will to half a million over night.

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I have a rather strong horseshoe style magnet back at my parents somewhere, would not the introduction of such a device (by accident, obviously) render such an instrument completely useless?

I'm thinking no. Magnets aren't nearly as dangerous as the movies would like us to believe. Which is a shame really. :(

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500,000 just passed.. :)


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Half a million reached and still a month to go!

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http://motoring.aol.co.uk/vote-now-say-no-to-road/article/20070116115309990001

"load of nonsense"

Is this the sort of comment we HAVE to put-up wqith from an ELECTED person in response to a legitimate and democratic petition ?

It just shows how far these people are from the reality that many of us have to pay to live with.


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jomukuk wrote:
http://motoring.aol.co.uk/vote-now-say-no-to-road/article/20070116115309990001

"load of nonsense"

Is this the sort of comment we HAVE to put-up wqith from an ELECTED person in response to a legitimate and democratic petition ?

It just shows how far these people are from the reality that many of us have to pay to live with.


I don't think Mike Rutherford was elected, but you are right, he writes a load of nonsense.

Little better than Ladyman imho.

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The petition currently stands at over 560,000 going up about 30,000 per day.


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The Telegraph confirms EU linkage:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... oads27.xml

Half a million tell Downing St: Scrap road pricing plans

By David Millward, Transport Correspondent

Last Updated: 2:04am GMT 27/01/2007

More than half a million people had signed a petition calling for the Government to scrap plans for pay-as-you-drive road pricing last night as it emerged that the European Union is about to cash in on the scheme.

With less than a month before the petition is taken down from the Downing Street website, the latest predictions are suggesting that around 750,000 will back the campaign started by Peter Roberts, an account executive from Telford, Shropshire. Last night 585,000 had signed it.
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The anger over the scheme intensified as it emerged that Brussels has demanded that all member state road pricing schemes should not only be harmonised, but be capable of linking with the EU's £2.3 billion Galileo satellite.

Brussels's insistence that road-pricing technology works with Galileo was seen by critics as a way of ensuring the project recoups income from licence fees paid by tolling authorities.

Such demands will apply to all road pricing and toll systems introduced since the turn of the year. Existing schemes could be forced to use the same technology.

The Galileo project, a European rival to the Americans' GPS satellite — also hopes to make money from selling its services to companies making compatible satellite navigation devices.

In addition Brussels expects the onboard units, which should be harmonised across the EU, will also be capable of enforcing a wide range of road pricing schemes — from London's congestion charge to a German motorway tolling scheme and even, where possible, time spent in a garage or car park.

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I'm not at all sure we're getting the whole story in this piece... What is Galileo supposed to be for again?

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Yet more power leeching away to Brussels.
Someone remind me ---what reason do we elect these idiots to the House of Commons --to govern the UK or delegate their responsibilities to a lot of unelected foreigners .Gets any worse we might as well hand back power to the monarchy .(at least they're part British)


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I'm not at all sure we're getting the whole story in this piece... What is Galileo supposed to be for again?



Galileo is a "replacement" for the USA's gps system.
The USA system is prone to the military (who own it) "moving the goalposts" (although they say they've stopped it now)
The galileo system uses higher power than the USA system, giving better coverage ESPECIALLY IN TOWNS AND CITIES, and was ALWAYS designed for civil use and primarily for transport (of all sorts). However, the benefit of a system that makes charging for use of the roads easy was always in the plans.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/energy_transport/galileo/applications/road_en.htm
Al the road pricing schemes depend on an easily useable gps system. That's what galileo is for.
You really need to develop a better way of thinking, you're just not paranoid enough.
You're constantly stating that europe is to blame. Wake up. ALL the politicians in ALL the countries of the EU, ALWAYS blame the EU for the woes of the world....that way we never blame them.
The EU is the "first choice" of the blame culture. Blame the people who ARE to blame. Blame yourselves.


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As a net contributor to Europe, do we really need to be taxing our people more to subsidise lazy French farmers?

Enough is enough surely, we're pissing away our beer tokens into Europe, and gaining nothing in return, not even a decent anti-camera ruling from the ECHR!


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RobinXe wrote:
not even a decent anti-camera ruling from the ECHR!


And even if we do, the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU.

btw, complete the following series:

Common Market
European Economic Community
European Union
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Funny how the cap keeps being used.
The french farming industry employs more people than the uk and has more land being farmed. The uk also has its special rebate....
When the new states became members the cap had to be limited....poland has more land being farmed than france ....but receives less than the uk...although it should also be pointed-out that the usa subsidises its own farm industry much more, in financial terms, than the eu....and makes more fuss about unfair competition than the eu....
It makes no difference whatever what anyone thinks....there is more chance of the queen being seen selling her body in soho than this country leaving the eu.

Oh, and labout got over 36% of the TOTAL votes cast in the last general election.
If nearly half of the electorate cannot be bothered to vote, I wish they'd shut-up about the amount of votes that the various parties got and how undemocratic it is.


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SafeSpeed wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
not even a decent anti-camera ruling from the ECHR!


And even if we do, the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU.

btw, complete the following series:

Common Market
European Economic Community
European Union
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I thought it went:

European Economic Community (= Common Market)
European Community
European Union

Anyhow, the next version should be a UK separated from the EU.

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And whos name appears on the list :o right at the bottom

Bryan Haddon
David Lowe
Nicole Kurzon
phil robinson
mr. y.i.patel
lorna wilsoon
Louise Boyle
James Harvey
Martin Cassidy
john staines
Janice Hillary
Lara Wagstaff
keith harcourt jukes
Joanne Morse
ernest rolls
Clare Wallis
Anthony Walker
Michael Yardley
Kim Scotney
John Lockley
J Piggott
mervyn beason
Martin Gibson
Laura Sturdy
richard mccarthy
Dr Mark Rogers
NINA ELLISON
June Wood
Patricia Dixon
William D. Ronaldson
Phil Turburfield ADI
sue costello
Lynne Wilding
ANNE GOWANS
Rosina Jones
Laura Michelle Day
Robert Hall
D Eccles
glen armstrong
martyn bonnett
John Roberts
hugh keith joseph
allyson straker
tony flint
MIKE POLLARD
Hayleigh Amos
David Morris
Michael Miskin
Kelly Gibson
Ernest West
lee cook
Heather Jones
Kirsty Sharp
Brett Davis
jayne holloway
Jenny Cutis
Theresa Neale
E G Ramsay
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Hampster and the Mirror joins in...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tm_headline=no- ... _page.html

NO TO THE TOLLTAX

Why charge us £1.34 a mile to drive on busy roads..we pay enough already

WE are under attack. Yet again, the Government is planning a controversial new tax on motoring.

Well, I've finally had enough. And I know I'm not alone. That's why today I'm proud to launch the Daily Mirror's Say No to Tolls campaign. Our aims are simple - to put the brakes on the Government's proposed Road Transport Act, which could see cars fitted with an electronic tracking tag and tolls introduced on most major roads.

Under the outrageous scheme every car would be installed with a device to monitor movement via satellite or roadside beacon.

And motorists will be forced to stump up up to £1.34 A MILE to drive on the busiest roads during rush hour.

At present the M6, to the north of Birmingham, is the only British toll road.

But with these nightmare proposals we are facing the very real danger that ALL major roads in Britain could one day be saddled with heavy toll charges.

And, of course, who are the people who will suffer most? The poor, that's who. We could also face six months in jail if the tracking devices are tampered with and wardens and council officials would have the power to stop and search any car to check if the equipment - most likely an electronic windscreen tag - had been interfered with.

The nine areas earmarked for trials by the end of 2009 are Norfolk, the East Midlands, Reading, Cambridgeshire, Durham, Greater Manchester, Shrewsbury and Shropshire, Tyne and Wear and the West Midlands.

A petition demanding the scheme is scrapped was posted on the PM's website and has received an incredible 647,085 signatures in two months, swamping the 272,000 signatures received for Jamie Oliver's Feed Me Better campaign or the 22,000 who want to repeal the Hunting Act.

It was started by motorist Peter Roberts, who was outraged by the proposals. I'm calling on Mirror readers to sign up and show the Government motorists won't take it.

There has been a lot of talk recently about just what it means to be British. How do we define a modern Brit?

I've always believed that, regardless of ethnic origins, religious beliefs or financial status, we can be defined as the kind of people who will, if pushed far enough, eventually cough politely and say: "Would you mind awfully not doing that." And I reckon it's time we all said it on this one.

ARE we prepared to be taxed for the privilege of going about our business? At what point do we turn round and say that something is a basic right rather than a privilege, and as such not something we expect to be taxed for?

The road network costs around £1.1billion a year to look after. It is an incredible drain on the nation's resources, so why shouldn't the motorist be taxed to pay for it? Well for one thing, who exactly is "the motorist"?

The phrase has been so demonized recently that at the mention of it, I just see Mr Toad at the wheel of his Bentley making life impossible for everyone else. When the car first arrived a hundred years ago, it was a plaything for the super-rich. Real-life Mr Toads would rocket about the countryside as we rode about on horseback or walked to work.

But now, it's pretty much impossible to exist without relying, to some degree, on the car. The high street can no longer cater for our daily needs - we have to make our way to out-of-town supermarkets by car.

Most of the train stations have gone so even if we want to use a train, we have to drive to the station. It's unlikely there's a doctor within walking distance and it's almost certain the dentist is a drive away.

Also, our kids can't cycle to school for fear of what might happen to them on the way. If you don't actually own a car, it's likely you will have had a lift in one recently. Or your post arrived in one. Or your lunch was delivered to the supermarket in a van.

Let's not talk of "the motorist". Let's instead say "us" or "we". Driving is not a privilege any more; it's a necessity. Why should we be punished for getting on with it?

In every pound we spend on petrol, about 80p is already taken in tax. Our car has to be taxed so we can use it on the road and now, when it's on the road, we'll be asked to pay again so it can move along the road and use up the petrol we've paid tax on.

We have already paid tax on our earnings. Why should we then be taxed again when we spend a proportion of those earnings on driving to work? We are being taxed for the privilege of paying tax. Where does it end?

And what about our privacy? Our cars will have to be fitted with tracking devices. The alternative is that we each sit down and fill in a form detailing our route and the time of day every time we get in the motor.

The device can report our road usage to a central agency that can issue bills for the miles travelled. That is a disturbing prospect. People objected to ID cards on the grounds of human rights. That's nothing compared with this invasion of privacy.

I don't know about you, but I'm not a spy. Neither am I having an affair or hiding a drug habit. In fact, I can't think of a single thing I do that is of interest to anyone else or how information about it might be useful. But I am desperately uncomfortable with the idea of my journeys being tracked and analysed by a faceless agency. It will be illegal to tamper with the devices, but I'm going to have a great many accidents with cups of coffee over that box, I can tell you. In fact, not a day will pass without something spilling on it, a dog eating it or it just catching fire.

So to help prevent all of the above, back our campaign. But hurry up - you've only got 15 days left to make a difference.

SIGN UP HERE TO DOWNING STREET PETITION

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Shows the impact someone like him in major paper can have - it's going up like a rocket now!

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