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 Post subject: Police 'Right to Strike'
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:55 
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If the police did strike, would we really miss them :roll: :?


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Individually we might not miss them (depends on how much influence the police directly or indirectly have on each of us), but expanding the scope to the community, conurbation, regional and ultimately national level, the answer has to be a resounding yes.

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I am sure some one could write a website to issue you a crime number.
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I am sure some one could write a website to issue you a crime number.
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But if you could write the programme to arrest armed gunmen, rapists, etc., you'd really have something. :wink:

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I am sure some one could write a website to issue you a crime number.
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But if you could write the programme to arrest armed gunmen, rapists, etc., you'd really have something. :wink:

But the police aren't very good at doing that anyway. In fact the police are the armed gunmen some of the time.

If there were no police then you wouldn't have to see them and get scared of what they might do.

What's an un-armed gunman? :twisted:

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The police federation are a toothless tiger sucking on the governments leg, the chances of them overturning an act of parliment is zilch. On the bright side though it would be interesting. The army take over when the fire and ambulance strike, I simply can't wait to see a squadie fresh back from Afghanistan go to a domestic, or a fatal RTC or prepare evidence for court, or deal with public order without killing everyone or....and so on and so on. Vive la revoution!

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What's an un-armed gunman? :twisted:


An electrician? .... No that's an unarmed suicide bomber :)

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What I was getting at, is that I don't see a copper for weeks on end anyway! :lol:

Should have been clearer. :oops:


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Pity they cannot go on work to rule either. If they did this they may catch the culprits when you phone them rather than turning up the next day.

Its a hard job is it not?


Always wondered why there are plenty of police around at football matches but usually none when you need one urgently


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Always wondered why there are plenty of police around at football matches but usually none when you need one urgently


Football clubs pay towards the police at football games, they pay for the police on their property, and of course it is the police who decide on how many officers are required at the game. At Blackpool there used to be games where there were no police, but now we are in the Championship, so bigger crowds (home and away fans) its very unlikly that we will have any non-police games.


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If the Police strike the goverment will just call on the the armed forces.

It's not as if we've got anything to do at the moment :x

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Thatsnews wrote:
anton wrote:
I am sure some one could write a website to issue you a crime number.
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But if you could write the programme to arrest armed gunmen, rapists, etc., you'd really have something. :wink:


they've already got cameras which monitor behaviour in an attempt to pre-empt arrests on those who MIGHT commit a crime...


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If the Police strike the goverment will just call on the the armed forces.

It's not as if we've got anything to do at the moment :x


That's one way to bring them back from Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan ... :roll:

TBH, considering how much the government have p :censored: d off the Police, I'm surprised that they are not throwing a lot of resources into thoroughly investigating any potential crimes committed by Labour.

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If the Police strike the goverment will just call on the the armed forces.

In that case they'd presumably change their name to the "armed services". :roll: Can't have poor ickle cwiminals being fwightened now, can we?

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How much support do people think the under equipped & underpaid soldiers who were sent to a streetwar we had no business being in will give to our government ?

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I support you 100%

Not the reasons you were sent there though.

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How much support do people think the under equipped & underpaid soldiers who were sent to a streetwar we had no business being in will give to our government ?

To the Squaddies reading this...

I support you 100%

Not the reasons you were sent there though.


This is a difficult area for me personally. I have a hard time supporting (in spirit) soldiers who went into a war that every thinking person knew was illegitimate. Yet I want to be able to support those who 'fight for our country'.

Should I be happy that our soldiers were perhaps 'unthinking'?

Does anyone want to help me unravel these moral questions?

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How much support do people think the under equipped & underpaid soldiers who were sent to a streetwar we had no business being in will give to our government ?

To the Squaddies reading this...

I support you 100%

Not the reasons you were sent there though.


This is a difficult area for me personally. I have a hard time supporting (in spirit) soldiers who went into a war that every thinking person knew was illegitimate. Yet I want to be able to support those who 'fight for our country'.

Should I be happy that our soldiers were perhaps 'unthinking'?

Does anyone want to help me unravel these moral questions?


Yes you should be happy, you are confusing your moral objection to the conflict with the absolute need for members of the armed forces to do as they are ordered. Aim your ire at the government, but don't ever suggest that our soldiers are 'unthinking' just because they dutifully go off and serve their country. You do not get to hold the moral highground on us/them just because you have the luxury of being able to 'advocate' everything in your own mind before acting. If the armed forces were given the remit to do similar for every scenario they found themselves in, we would be in a right mess, unable to act in the knowledge that the troops on the ground would do as they were instructed. Before I departed these shores in 2003 for goodness knows where, I stated to my colleagues that had 'a bad feeling about it all'.
But I still went. Why? Becuase I had signed up to service in HM forces, had drawn the pay for more 20 odd years and had known exactly what the conditions were all along. If I had decided to try and back out because my (or even someone else's) moral compass told me it was not right, then I would have been ashamed of myself for the rest of my life.

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Yes you should be happy, you are confusing your moral objection to the conflict with the absolute need for members of the armed forces to do as they are ordered. Aim your ire at the government, but don't ever suggest that our soldiers are 'unthinking' just because they dutifully go off and serve their country. You do not get to hold the moral highground on us/them just because you have the luxury of being able to 'advocate' everything in your own mind before acting. If the armed forces were given the remit to do similar for every scenario they found themselves in, we would be in a right mess, unable to act in the knowledge that the troops on the ground would do as they were instructed. Before I departed these shores in 2003 for goodness knows where, I stated to my colleagues that had 'a bad feeling about it all'.
But I still went. Why? Becuase I had signed up to service in HM forces, had drawn the pay for more 20 odd years and had known exactly what the conditions were all along. If I had decided to try and back out because my (or even someone else's) moral compass told me it was not right, then I would have been ashamed of myself for the rest of my life.


Absolutely Riggers. Our armed forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and all other theatres deserve our full support and respect. They are fighting (and dying in reasonable numbers) for our country and that is a noble and unselfish pursuit regardless of our personal views about the morality of the cause.


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'If' the Police went on strike do you think the Army are really going to be that interesting in helping Labour out of the hole thay have excavated for themselves? How many of the Top Brass have publically criticised the government in the last few months?
Bring on the strike then we can have a nice bloodless military coup and get somebody with a brain in charge and sort this chambles of a country out!

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Striking may or may not happen, but work to rule is easy and could be as equaly destructive in the long run, much of policng has been done on good will, the will is running out, a big showdown could be the kick in the balls this arrogant pig ignorant government needs.

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