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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 07:46 
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This ist now getting ridiculous :banghead: I gave the lurid headline - because I can foresee that this could lead to such measures.

Look - very few folk out there are "kiddy fiddlers" und by telling parents that each person on reaching age 18 years "becomes one" - we put them off allowing children to be children und we not only raise a generation of badly exercised children - we also raise a generation who are unable to make adult decisions or think for themselves as adults You can make these kids pass as many "micky mouse tests" as you like - but the real acid test lie in what they actually understand und what they can actually do und achieve und progress our lives. We are stunting all this und shortening the life span .. perhaps returning to the short lives we had in the Middle Ages :roll:

I can see kiddies being abducted or borrowed when an adult wish to go for a stroll in the park.. or more adults und pets becoming :listenup: obese through such arrogant, nannygrot, interfering busysybody .. ARCCHHHHH! Word fail me.


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Council officials told to question adults in public park without children
Council staff have been ordered to stop and question adults walking in a public park who are not with children.


By Nick Britten
Last Updated: 4:53PM BST 09 Sep 2008

People out for a stroll or to walk their dog face being quizzed about their motives for being there and placed under suspicion of being a paedophile.

Senior officials at Telford and Wreckin Council said the policy was to protect children and the vulnerable, and they would only stop anyone acting suspiciously.

But their actions have been branded heavy handed and "draconian".

The policy came to light after two environmental campaigners dressed as penguins were thrown out of Telford Town Park when caught handing out leaflets on climate change.

Rachel Whittaker and Neil Donaldson, of the Wrekin Stop War pressure group, were told they had to leave the park because they had not undergone Criminal Records Bureau checks or risk assessments before being allowed near children.

David Ottley, Telford & Wrekin's sports and recreation manager, said in a letter to them: "Our Town Park staff approach adults that are not associated with any children in the Town Park and request the reason for them being there."

"In particular, this applies to those areas where children or more vulnerable groups gather, such as play facilities and the entrances to play areas."

However Miss Whittaker, 34, said: "I'm outraged that my concern for the planet and for the future of all children can be turned into petty bureaucracy.

"It is dangerous as well as frightening people, it could start a hysterical society and punishes people who have done nothing wrong while giving an outlet for those with sinister motives a way of getting around it.

"I think they are reacting to what was is essence an expression to public expression of free speech - and how many child molesters dress up as penguins anyway?"

Mr Evans, a former childcare social worker, added: "It is authoritarian madness which can only be based on ignorance.

"It appears that the council wants to use child protection as a cover for anything they don't like taking place in the park.

"It is absurd, it is insulting and what's more it is dangerous as it panics people about the dangers their children face."

Denis Allen, Council spokesman for community services, said: "Our staff are asked to approach adults without children in areas where children gather such as play areas, using their own judgement and discretion.

"Having systems and procedures to protect the vulnerable may be unacceptable to some people but we have a duty of care to children and we take our duties very seriously."

Ron Odunayia, Director of Community Services, said; "Let's put this whole issue into common sense context. We are not talking about a blanket policy covering everybody who enjoys our Town Park.

"However, and this is the crucial part, if someone is acting in a suspicious manner or acting in an inappropriate way then, of course, our staff reserve the right to ask questions. "

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 07:57 
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Criminal records bureau.
Supposed to be ONLY needed when working with children or vulnerable adults.
Now becoming societies crutch for public services.
Totally overlooking the fact that over 80% of children that ARE assaulted are the victims of people they are related to or are friends of.
Sorry, NOT overlooking, if you are of a social-paranoia outlook.
The reality of the CRB is that most of the records checked through them become "available" to anyone who wants to pay the sourcing organisation for them.

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Humm. I have a CRB thingy cos I teach. Does this mean I am able to walk in a park? or do I require another CRB to allow me to walk through parks?
I ask this because I have friend who was CRB'ed for Air cadets, however he was not allowed to be left on his own in my school unill he had a CRB for his PGCE. Oh well it makes some feel important.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 20:35 
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Humm. I have a CRB thingy cos I teach. Does this mean I am able to walk in a park? or do I require another CRB to allow me to walk through parks?
I ask this because I have friend who was CRB'ed for Air cadets, however he was not allowed to be left on his own in my school unill he had a CRB for his PGCE. Oh well it makes some feel important.




I think this ist the most revenue raking scam of all. Each time a teacher (or anyone so employed as to come into contact with a child (or minor of under age 18 years) apply for any job - even within the authority - they have to havea separate check each time. This costs around £80 per time :roll:
The only thing it prove ist that person has not been copped doing anything bad - yet. But we then read of some (involved in education) who are accused of "looking at certain photos on the internet". :roll: SO a clean check does not necessarily mean "clean" - but all the same - most human beings are normal with normal relationships - und by normal I mean adult relationships of love und trust whether they be heterosexual, trans-sexual or homosexual. :popcorn: .. as in "consenting adults with normal human needs for sassy experience as a grown up with fellow grown ups" :wink:

I try to keep to ladylike upbringing..:oops: :wink:

But with the CREB check?

Who pay?

Taxpayer :banghead: Each check uses the same record - so it a duplicated business. The check once done should really be valid for any job application for say... 3 years. Any conviction within that time would no doubt be recorded und the person dismissed as unsuitable - only if the crime was of a violent or agressive nature.

But I think we are really working up to a frenzy.

We see "child killer" insults hurled if one dares travel on bicycle.. motorcycle .. in car at any speed over 15 mph :banghead:

We see the "bogeyman" where the bogeyman does not exist. :roll: We prevent grown men from watching grand-daughters in tutus und leotards at an infant's ballet school "gala" :banghead: .. from taking photos of their child's proudest und most empheral moments of enjoying those all too short years of childhood. We now cease to be "children" as soon as we reach Year 7 in the education system. (Or do in the state sector .. I think the children at the school our own produce und adopted und the odd foster (with State permission to let us fund) attend(attended as older ones now at Uni :bow:) seem to stay "children a little longer" - even if more intellectually challenged und disciplined by that School.) I do not know if this just my "fancy" when I observe this.. it just seem to me to be so when watching over our own kids that this seem to be so.. Perhaps because the State sector keep setting mindless "targets" - whereas ours in the Indy School chill out und - er . learn

We (UK society) :banghead: stunt our children's development as a society by molly coddling on the mumpty run .. seeing predators behind every hedgegrow .. instead of getting them to be independent minded on the School Bus.. walking to /from bus stop.. cycling to schools or just walking :roll: Our society become so brainwashed that it will not let children simply "play outdoors" even :roll: lest the bogeyman sully them. In this I will agree with a notorious trollster who argued this point... but not in way which win :wink: . Krissi (sister who not really such a "Nice Tame Cat" :yikes: She my sister - much loved by me .. but even I meet my match in arguing with her .. Miaow-OUCH! :yikes: ) convinced Paulie on this one where the trollsters failed miserably :lol: Too het up with "self confessed lover of the dreaded 4x 4 - even though she stress it was the work-mobile as required by a country vet :lol:

But I am saying that the person we as "caring society for our young" fear the most.. the kiddy fiddler does not lurk behind every lamppost on the path to schools or playgrounds in the park. He much closer to home. We know this from our own experiences of fostering. :roll:

He (the kiddy fiddler.. the "groomer" for his own insatiable lust which sickens the normal - but sadly does seem "normal to this type") does not randomly appear in parks .. Or he really knows it not normal as why else would he issue threats to his victims to keep it all a "secret" :banghead: I know this type need help.. but.. they need help whilst in prison und then in halfway houses und continual monitoring all the same :banghead:

BUT..

Normal folk are

:::; jogging/walking the dog/strolling/enjoying the world at play/being amused at the laughter of local children/admiring und even feeling pangs of envy of family life if a singleton.. These are normal innocent folk .. basically decent. :roll: They become outraged if accused of something untoward. It not only disintegrates society.. it completely destroys trust, along with the intrinsically decent human soul :roll:

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I borrow a child (usually grandaughter ) on Saturdays - lets me park in the todlerrs spaces at the supermarket free from worry about the large kiddie carriers doors taking a piece out of one of mine ,or higher up.Next ,I'll need CRB :lol:

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botach wrote:
I borrow a child (usually grandaughter ) on Saturdays - lets me park in the todlerrs spaces at the supermarket free from worry about the large kiddie carriers doors taking a piece out of one of mine ,or higher up.Next ,I'll need CRB :lol:



Way thing go... it will not surprise me :roll:

But never mind the CCTC cams will cop this.. but not one person take account. :roll: Ja .. in the UK -you have CCTV .. but if you have something to hide .. you have nothing to fear as they just do not watch them.

You see. "Data protection forbid this" -unless you challenge a Gatso wrap per another thread on here :roll: :popcorn:

Somehow .. I think priorities are all wrong .. in the UK :roll: This not used to be the case. The UK was once the model of reference und reverance. :roll: Somehow .... some folk who eat lentils seem to "have mesmerised common sense with the mind blowing away essence of their smelliest farts" :roll:

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I think you have not really had much to do with crb checks, you will soon:
http://www.crb.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1844

Note that at the enhanced level of check the police, effectively, give information on what are, basically, rumours:
http://www.crb.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1858
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the information contained within the letter must never be revealed to the applicant or be shown to the applicant or to any other person not involved with the recruitment decision.

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It is a criminal offence under the Police Act 1997 to reveal the information contained within the letter to the applicant or another person who is not involved with the recruitment decision, without the written permission of the Chief Police Officer.


The information held on a crb check is supposed to be kept seperate from other "human resources" information. Unfortunately, many organisations keep the data so acquired in the personnel files. Open to all.

Several of the "umbrella" organisations are being investigated for selling the information gained to others.

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I had to have a CRB check to get my door supervisors licence
If I went to Telford Park and started acting "suspicious", and one of these council gestapo questioned me, would I be legally allowed to b*tchslap them with my CRB disclosure form and continue to do so until they produce theirs? :twisted:

The busy bodies, jobsworths and liberals are f**king us over, slowly making our country a laughing stock :evil:

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