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Seen the latest idea -

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050412/140/fg6d4.html

(From an old entainer - "Points mean prizes")
What next - some sleazy TV program , where we get a presenter saying "PC Jones, as winner this month of the yaba daba do police force with 500 points , you get a luxury holiday in North Wales, a tour of the facilities of Brunstroms speeding facility and a day out with his top talivan"
"If you'd scored less , we were going to send you to Spain, another ten and you'd have qualified for a week in the lake district with the Cumbria camera partnership"

Ah, but the 'booby prize' would be a MONTH with the cumbria scum !

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(Richard Brunstrom Says so !!)

Hanbo - being "VERY SARCASTIC" on trip to cumbria.
Perhaps worst prize might be a week in durham---(said with tongue in cheek -an area with REAL COPPERS AND NO CAMS )Said with all due respect to our bib friends from durham area, who do it without cams or scams but in the old tradition) - perhaps IG and friends might teach PC PLOD about REAL TRAFFIC POLICING, done the old way ,and gaining the respect etc of the public. (IG , note some ancient motorists still like trafplods, bumlik,bumlik)

C*#p. That operate in EXACTLY the same way as the Safety Camera Partnerships but don't reclaim the cost. They use speed cameras, we use speed cameras in the safety camera system. You will also find Traffic Police operaing in Cumbria with their own cameras. They HAVE NOT and WILL NOT be replaced.
Same thing, same methodology, different name.

This is a false argument and has been pointed out to you hundreds of times before. We know and you agree that they don't reclaim costs - therefor their motivation is different therefor by your own words they are almost but not EXACTLY the same.



NO!!!

Different methodology in one crucial area. They have removed the element of ulterior motive (direct control of revenue recovery) and conflict of interest.

THAT IS THE CRUCIAL DIFFERENCE AND WHAT DISCREDITS YOU - FOOL!

Hahahahaha! That's a good one!

They don't have to observe the flawed rules nor worry about the cash.

You'll never seen them lurking on motorway bridges will you? Why's that then?

And what are the partnership up to in Wiltshire? Trying to make back the Folly Bottom cash?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Getting quite tense isn't it

Anyway, I would like to see the traffic officers who think this is a good idea, as stated by the spokeswoman. Ok they may get 50 points (wow) for a fatal, but that could be them written off for ages.
When I was on CID we had a local criminal travelling at 90mph hit a schoolgirl 70 ft through the air, and drive off without stopping. This poor girl is still recovering from horrific injuries, and will never be as she was before. During the investigation the traffic department supplied us with one of their best officers to assist us. This officers expertise was invaluable, and the end result put this maniac away for 4 years (yes more would be nice).
For the 2 months he was attached to CID, he would have only had 50 points, if that, because he was not in reality the lead officer. Was his contribution more important than stop checking other criminals...I think not.

Personally I do not agree with this policy. Our division has just brought in arrest league tables, and quite frankly they are stupid. You have some officers with barely a tomato season in the job swaggering around saying they are top in their area. After a bit of digging you find half of those are Mickey Mouse offences, or easy public order.

Is this value for money, is this what you want (where's my soap box). It certainly doesn’t reflect the good work being done by officers who are investigating more serious and time consuming offences, or community officers whose work is also highly valued by the communities they serve.

This is another example of the corporate approach being taken by police forces countrywide.

Rant over.

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CSCP Latin for beginners...
Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

I saw a policeman in a police car yesterday, a rare sight indeed!

Now THAT'S 'JJ's input !
So easy to spot the work of the illiterate one !
(Must be the new typists 'day off' !)

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"CAMERAS "DO NOT" SAVE LIVES" !!
(Richard Brunstrom Says so !!)

The obvious problem with targets is that it can easily become more important to do well in relation to the target instead of doing the job well. This leads to manipulation of the environment so that the best possible figures can be achieved. I have seen this on the railways with train performance - adding extra time to the last part of a journey and then redefining "on time" to be up to ten minutes late. I've seen it in education - GCSE stats. Not entering kids who are unlikely to get a C grade in particular subjects, teachers effectively doing the coursework, marking it themselves and only a very small proportion goes to the exam board for checking.
The NHS is well known for manipulation of waiting-time stats. Now the Home Office has got in on the target-setting - one reason why we see less police traffic cars about - the police will be under the same sort of pressures. Heaven forbid that incentive schemes are used - like with private traffic wardens.

It's not just the police forces mate, I think much of the public sector is now faced with embodying corporate practice and ethos. In the early 1990s the RAF adopted what it called New Management Strategy, making each Co responsible for his/her own budget rather than it being centrally controlled. Fine you say, so the armed forces should manage their public monies properly, and you'd be right. But check this story out...

A transport aircraft enroute from distant shores is declared unserviceable somewhere in the middle east. The ground engineer diagnoses a fault with the bleed air system and needs a metal seal to fix it. He pops across to the maintenance hangar of a large middle eastern airline who operate the same aircraft type and discovers that they have a seal which he can buy for a few tens of pounds. He contacts his own base to seek permission to buy the seal using his issued Visa card, only to be told that nobody will authorise the expenditure and that a seal would be sent out to him from tehir own stocks, arriving the day after tomorrow.
But what about the 200 odd passengers we'll have to put up in local hotels for 2 nights he asks?
Not our problem, comes the reply. That doesn't come out of our budget.

We have one camera van.....

When the lads use their other gadgets ... tis all done in the best possible taste We only go after the true idiots.... and lots of discretion is used.

But then...we send our fines straight to Gordon who gives it us all back and more besides as we have to look after Tone when he is holding spin-gery and canvassing to keep his seat...

We do not have to employ ( ) to keep traffic under control....we do not need to as we have only employ intelligent persons i

Still hear that trafpols are decreasing in scam infested areas....and when I nip over to see the mad lad and his wife - see the cams but so far ... not seen Ian and his mates If you come over to our side .... lots of marked and unmarkeds larking around....

So yah-boo!

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cannot see this catching on here....you should not need this kind of mickey mouse system to "encourage you to do your job properly!" anyway.

Still ... could explain the air guitar nonsense whereby driver was allegedly stationary with gear in neutral,hand brake applied and carried away by the strains of Led Zep , the fines for idling, and taxi drivers tootling their arrival... and such other nonsense.... when just a quiet word would suffice.

Comes across to me as a daft idea ....and one which is opne to abuse by the less professional...

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

A prize should go to In Gear, for biggest use of emoticons in one post

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'Detritus, get yer stoney arse over ere'

Just thought on - with the idea of awarding points to BIB - (nice to see them getting praise than buckets of brown) - how about an award scheme for the BEST USE OF EMOTICONS BY A BIB.

Prize - a MONTHLY badge bestowed by SS marked as "??(brown bucket)"
??= left to the imagination.( perhaps writer of hype(in a bucket marked sewage), but ive no intention of driving in yorks/up the m6 or in aberdare for some time )

Seriously - for advice these blokes need more than their employers bucket of brown- so take a bow BIB,SPECIALLY THOSE BRAVE ENOUGH TO POST ON HERE

The only thing the police have in common with you lot is that they seem to have to sometimes waste tax payers money sitting in your scamera vans protecting you from all your adoring fans! I've always wondered why you need protection when we apparenlty all love you and your toys to bits.

That just about says it all

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blademansw - that might cost you several credits - but i like it

its like the cartoon in http://www.abd.org.uk/

Follow link - LASTLAUGH, then cartoon1.

I like all these new emoticons..



jolly useful when words fail me...

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.