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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:48 
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Most of the reports I have seen are critical, But is this just the whinges of the naturally conservative or are the critisisims justified??

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Most of the reports I have seen are critical, But is this just the whinges of the naturally conservative or are the critisisims justified??

Like you-most reports I've seen are critical. TBH-Win 7 ,to me, gets the best out of my set up. I went from 95 & 98 to XP Pro,then Win7, each one getting better. Stayed well clear of Vista, and M.E.I dable with win2k,as it runs stuff on this PC that later OS won't run( and it's very similar to XP). Likewise I've got XP Pro on as it does likewise with some hardware .So not really ready to try another OS that might mean another expensive software & hardware upgrade,just to be modern .
MS does like to try to fix what's not broken. haven't tried any Office software after trying Office 2007. To me ,it was the Vista of Office, so I've returned to 2003 .
It's like ignition systems, I never in 40 years had a single coil go bad,but how many coilpacks do you hear of going up the spout.

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My golden rule is never be the first to try a new thing, unless she's really hot. :D

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There's a "What Something" for just about everything these days; so that's always worth checking. And I know the Web's always good for this, but I find the trouble there is there's always a bad report from some Mr Fussy.

I find this with apps, one review will give 5 stars yet another will give nothing, claiming It's complete rubbish...

Add: My other golden rule is don't move unless your current OS is giving you grief or won't do what you want anymore. If it aint broke an' all that. :)

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Add: My other golden rule is don't move unless your current OS is giving you grief or won't do what you want anymore. If it aint broke an' all that. :)


Strangely enough , I went for Win 7 ,on the various stages, and thought"wow" ,this is one neat OS.But with MS record- can they get it right again. I doubt it.

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I forget the exact number, but a software techie at work who keeps up with this stuff said when Vista, (I think it was), came out there were a known 10,000 bugs MS knew of.

It was something rediculous like that. I'll ask him again tomorrow. I see no reason to think things have change since then.

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I forget the exact number, but a software techie at work who keeps up with this stuff said when Vista, (I think it was), came out there were a known 10,000 bugs MS knew of.

It was something rediculous like that. I'll ask him again tomorrow. I see no reason to think things have change since then.



IMHO,with MS its a bit like that. 95 first one was good, then they "fixed it twice" and moved on to 98 FE ,which was good ( it only crashed on occasions), then 98 SE which was crap .I've tried ME,and gave up, but win 2k is not too bad ,if you've got a bit more memory than the suggest. Then came XP ,I liked the pro version . I left Vista alone, as reports said it was death to a PC. Then came win 7 - I love it -it's great and makes a PC which is slow on XP PRO run like a new one . So on on that record, Win 8 ,with all it's propaganda is ( I feel ) going to one to leave well alone. Office also has been a bit like that. I started off on a version earlier than 2000 ( 1997 ,comes to mind) . Then moved to office 2000. All very similar, then on to Office 2003, same system ,just a bit better. Along came office 2007, IMHO,the Vista of Office. I'm still plodding on on 2003 - I've given up on that score . I've even got Photoshop 2000 running,as I can't find anything else to do the same job.

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I lament the loss of Coral Draw 9, I think it was. My friend used it and I had a play and loved it!

So I paid good money for the latest one at the time, thinking newer has to be better. You can guess the rest.. :banghead:

The same was so of the suite you had I think Botach;
Office 2000.

IMHO, that was the pinnacle of MS excellence. Then they changed it so if I've made a document in 'Word' with editions I couldn't just press 'Save' which should have been in the same place since about 1983.

Noooo... That would be too easy. Let's make the buyer think better is fixing something which worked perfectly okay in its familiar way which we all liked.

I wonder if we will ever reach a day when we start to say no to upgrades and a better wheel, or is it our destiny to keep changing things for change sake.

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I've not tried Win 8 as yet, there's only a finite number of hours in a day! But if you want to try it I'd recommend getting the free verion of VMWare (virtual machine software), think it's called VMWare Player, download the Developer Preview version of Win 8 (free) and install it as a virtual machine .... if you like it buy it, if you don't, just blow it away, nothing lost. Would have to check if VMWare is Win 8 ready though.

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Just for the record :lol: I personally don't have a problem with Vista, when it first came out it had some horrible memory leaks, but that was fixed with Service Pack 1. I still run a laptop with Vista, I could upgrade to Win 7 for free, but IMO it isn't worth the bother as I'm happy enough with Vista for my purposes on that machine :D

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Big Tone wrote:

The same was so of the suite you had I think Botach;
Office 2000.



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No- I think the pinnacle was Office 2003. No asking if the file needs saving to be accessed in some older version . It just gets saved. Seem to remember that this was a part of Office 2007. I run office 2000 on an old win2k laptop, and there's no problems of compatibility with Office 2003. It just takes a lot of patience to get the laptop to load up. (Now I see where the term Patient came from :D ).
And to Zippo-you can download a trial version of Win 8 from MS, but there's no discount for being a guinea pig. I did this twice with Win7, they still wanted full whack . I said sod off and went to the bay where a skull & crossbones fly & got it for nowt. That was the 32 bit one, then I got a 64bit one from my son, same place. My reasons- I had a legit copy of XP Pro - that got damaged. I asked nicely for a download to use with my key- answer - sod off,we want dosh. So blackmailed I bought one,to find that my old key worked with the new CD.All I needed was the software. GEE THANKS Mr Gates .

Never tried Vista- heard too many horror stories.

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Why do we just accept, or look forward, to a service pack like everything's going to be ok?

"Sorry Kim, about the other day. I know I was crap in bed, it lasted 45 seconds and I stole your purse when I left. But don't worry, I've since downloaded Nice Guy service pack 3. Would you give me a second chance and put your trust in me now.. pretty please.. "

Insert convincing fake sincere face :whome:

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Why do we just accept, or look forward, to a service pack like everything's going to be ok?

"Sorry Kim, about the other day. I know I was crap in bed, it lasted 45 seconds and I stole your purse when I left. But don't worry, I've since downloaded Nice Guy service pack 3. Would you give me a second chance and put your trust in me now.. pretty please.. "

Insert convincing fake sincere face :whome:

MS service thingmies- I treat them like a virus. Once I had a nice stable office suite running, Then one day I downloaded some updates. Suddenly my MS Office stopped working. It was one download that did it. I backtracked and founfd the culprit, and stopped the download .

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I installed SP3 on my works laptop earlier this year. It doesn’t work any better but OMG, does it take an age to boot up now!

So I switch it on and go and make a cuppa, by which time it’s half way through getting there :x

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I run several computers at work - one with Windows 3.11 and one with Windows 98, as well as 1 x XP, 1 x Vista and my laptop on Windows 7

Guess which one gives the least trouble, and last crashed some time before 2001, and which one gives me grief of one sort or another every day?

I have to say that after seeing my brother in law's Vista computer, I was pleasantly surprised at the Vista machine I was given recently, as I have had very little problem with it, other than those annoying pop ups every time I go to change anything, asking if I actually want to make changes!!

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I run several computers at work - one with Windows 3.11 and one with Windows 98, as well as 1 x XP, 1 x Vista and my laptop on Windows 7

Guess which one gives the least trouble, and last crashed some time before 2001, and which one gives me grief of one sort or another every day?

I have to say that after seeing my brother in law's Vista computer, I was pleasantly surprised at the Vista machine I was given recently, as I have had very little problem with it, other than those annoying pop ups every time I go to change anything, asking if I actually want to make changes!!

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I ,too,remember the days of win3.1 ( when my PC ,with a double spaced HDD of 40MB would struggle to open more than one window.) Most times I ran it in DOS, with A "Choose" menu on the start up screen . Strange though, it never locked up or gave me grief, as some of the so called better OS have. Win 95 ,0n my old steam driven laptop came a close second. Then came the heady days of Intel 111 @ 500mhz running win 98 FE. Cantankerous old OS, BUT it came good. But MS has ups and downs, Vista ( from what I've heard is a very definite very low down). But,after XP pro , I've taken to win 7. I've no problems with it,apart from finding drivers for some of my outdated hardware. ( like one very dated Apple Laser printer ,and my scanner ,which won't work on w7 64 bit). But then I've still got my XP on the partition .

Sad to say ,I miss the older OS, so much that I've got hold of an old PC chassis and I'll be sticking in an old MB,with a Pentium 3 @ 500MHZ and some memory ,to run WIN 95, AND POSSIBLY WIN 98 . Oldest I can run on this PC is Win 2k . Even then ,the MB software plays up .

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95 first one was good, then they "fixed it twice" and moved on to 98 FE ,which was good ( it only crashed on occasions), then 98 SE which was crap .I've tried ME,and gave up, but win 2k is not too bad ,if you've got a bit more memory than the suggest. Then came XP ,I liked the pro version . I left Vista alone, as reports said it was death to a PC. Then came win 7 - I love it


MS-DOS 6.22 was good.
Windows 3.1 / 3.11 was something you used out of necessity.
Best part of '95 was that it was still DOS underneath.
'98 didn't work at all well until SE and then it wasn't that great.
ME broke everything which worked in 98SE.
2K was incompatible with too much - and too expensive for home use.
XP didn't work very well until SP2, which broke most of what did work.
Vista was a memory hog with too many changes for changes sake.
Win 7 was the first one since MS-DOS which worked first time.

Going by that record it will be quite some time before Microsoft come up with another winner.


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That was not only informative but very interesting. I could do with you in my job Homer, someone who tells it as it is to the higher ‘achy’ when they ask us for our opinion. I think you would say something like: -

“You want to know the truth? You can’t handle the truth!”
It used to be about care, but that all changed with this Government.
You close services and expect to help the same people by chanting LEAN LEAN like some demented Jack in the box. (Er, when you're down to the bone there is no more 'lean' to be had you morons).
You cut staffing levels in half, freeze or lower pay, and expect the same service & motivation.
You create ‘empty suits’ on a huge salary to create endless & meaningless charts and unrealistic targets.
The word bullsh1t is disallowed and makes anyone who uses it uncooperative or ‘not a team player’
You don’t listen but feel it’s necessary to have endless meetings in an lame exercise of lip service.
It used to be about care, but now it’s all about money.

This will affect everyone here in time, directly or indirectly. Mark my words... :soapbox:

Sorry ‘bout the slight drift :oops:

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