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There's no need for that. There'll be no petrol to put in them, so they'll only be for show
anyway! And even if there is some petrol at 500 pounds a gallon, the human race looks set
to be wiped out by global warming and/or mass famine anyway, so there may be minimal
interest in 'classic cars'!

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I believe that as of 2001 the remaining untapped oil reserves still stand at approximately 98.5% of what we started out with, so "running out of oil" is still many centuries away, if it ever happens at all, which is unlikely.

Stop!

Stand Still!

Now put The Guardian down, kick it towards me then walk slowly away with your hands raised..

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Very good JT!

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Yeah, you'd believe anything. But whatever you believe, world oil production is
flattening out. Look at the price of petrol, it just went up to a quid a litre! Peanuts, eh?

It could just about mark "Peak Oil", JT, so remember this day. Don't just shoot from the
hip. Check it out for yourself instead, at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil

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Oh well,

Thats another good thread porked.

Next.

Are you telling us that you take that clap-trap seriously?

It entirely forgets that changes are gradual and markets are highly adaptable. And it especially forgets that much of the world's population solves efficiency problems daily.

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No. Let's not have that. I'll split the thread. Standby while I try to ensure no-one's in mid-post.

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Please bear in mind that I have had a picture of Isambard Kingdom Brunel by my computer
desk for many years (it seems to have gone missing at the moment, though), and I am
interested in other engineers like that Stephenson bloke, and that Telford fellow. But the
prof is concerned that we may have nothing to leave to posterity, while I'm concerned that
there might not be any posterity to leave anything to.



If there is "no posterity to leave anything to", then it won't matter whether the things we are
leaving are mechanical or electronic. My point is that we should first make posterity itself
as secure as possible, before we decide how to leave things to it.

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No point in speculating - we only have to look at the gas price to see it for ourselves! I'm
thinking of heading west, to Fort McMurray, to cash in. Don't worry, they have the Internet
up there. I once wrote some tank strapping algorithms for the oil sector in Calgary, and
some mass balance leak detection stuff for Marathon Oil's North Sea rigs. That should get
me started over there, as the North Sea seems set to taper off for good.

The trouble is, though, even with oil at 80 bucks a barrel, Fort McMurray is still a mosquito
infested dump, by all accounts. If it goes up to $100, though, I'm off!

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Err. To see what, exactly? A healthy market?

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But that's to do with political instability in the Middle East, not fundamental supply factors.


The people who are keen on the "early Peak" hypothesis tend in general to be those with an anti-development political axe to grind.

When we discussed this before I dug out a few articles putting the alternative point of view, for example:

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/bg/bg159/index.html#e

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Yeah, back when oil was 30 bucks. Let's see what you say when it hits $100, eh?

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Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that the market price of oil is high because the oil is running out?

Or you just making cheap lame points again? And if you are, should I ban you for trolling?

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Basingwerk, the oil price may be going up due to a minor ammount of lack of supply, the huricane that hit New Orleans took out oil refineries and upset production in the gulf of mexico, followed by continued trouble in the middle east, china demanding more oil due to its development. The current peak is due to politics, even assuming lower production politics come into it as Opec wants to garuntee its income, they could produce more but if people pay then why not milk the market? besides as oil prices rise less attractive sources will be exploited

This must come as a bit of a shock to you, but yes, oil must be running
out unless the pixies put some back when no one is looking!

So the question is not whether the oil is running out (we know it
is), but whether the price of oil (like everything else) is related to its
relative scarceness?

I’ll give you a tip in case you are drunk - the easy-to-get oil has
already gone, and we are getting to the dregs, while more and more people
want it. So fights are starting about it – welcome to the
21st century, you have finally arrived.

PS: with respect to the ban, do whatever you wish. Even the threat
shows how spiteful you are – is the weather too hot for you?

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Indeed. Drivers will be the cows for the foreseeable future…

PS you could be right. Let's see how you feel when it hits $100. I think that's a good price for a further bit of banter.

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if it does get that high for reasons other than political instability then the oil companies will work harder to get the oil out, at the moment when a field is "used up" it just means that it is uneconimical to get the remaining oil out, besides, it is a fairly safe bet that as oil prices rise too high bio mixes will become more widely used, ok those of us with old cars will be in the same position as those who currently own cars that need LRP, i.e. you will be buying a premium priced product to keep an old car on the road,

I'm wondering whether the oil price is high because of political instability
or whether there is political instability in Iraq and elsewhere due to the
high price of oil?

It could be a little of each, because fear and greed are prime motivations
behind both markets and wars. On the other hand, progress has been
primarily driven by the usage and the relative abundance of basic fuel
stuffs - the industrial revolution itself started around Telford on account of
the plentiful supplies of coal, and there is an excellent and funny
documentary doing the rounds called “Robert Newman’s History of oil”,
which makes light of the events surrounding the imminent end of the
world!

Only time will tell – if I’m right, it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory, and the lights will
be out! If you are right, we’ll all live happily ever after, like in a fairy
story!

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Well it's not ALL bad news then B'werk! At least the price of classic cars should come down if what you're saying is true!

On the subject of classic cars, I seem to vaguely remember lots of doom and gloom when leaded fuel was phased out too. That would be the end of classic cars, (they said). As you can see to this day, nothing of the sort happened. A variety of perfectly feasible solutions evolved and life went on.

Strangely enough, we also (as a species) just about managed to survive the millennium bug without too much hassle!

Personally, I rather hope the oil does start running out sooner rather than later. I know the majority of opinions on this forum seem to suggest that global warming isn't really a problem and I'm not about to hijack the thread again but whether it is or it isn't, it's hard to see that it's actually GOOD to be so dependant on a commodity that isn't so widely available.

The sooner it gets expensive enough to stimulate decent funding and research, the better. I'm pretty certain alternatives (like hydrogen) will become much more realistic propositions in the next 10 years. We could probably have had it tomorrow if Messrs. Bush and Blair had thrown all the money they spent (ahem!) "stabilising" the Middle East into alternative fuel research!

Don't do it Paul!

Opposing arguments of the standards of basingwerk's only serve to get your point across with more clarity.

In fact recent threads have shown that you can stand back and basingwerk will contradict him/herself without any external stimuli.