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Why, if you think they are irrelevant?



How about:

Drive at a safe and appropriate speed within the speed limit and always be prepared to stop in the distance you know to be clear in front of you. The speed limit has been set based on the worst case hazard scenario that can reasonably be expected on this particular road. Conditions will normally be better than this situation, but to accomodate for factors which may be beyond your abilities regarding anticipation, awareness and reaction times, you must still not exceed this limit.

Of course he's joking, the CAA (in their infinite wisdom) would not be daft enough to give someone that insane an ATPL!

I think he's weakly trying to make the same old point that 'speed kills'. He's 'conveniently' ignoring those NSL SCs where 60 is far from safe, and similarly discounting roads where doing more than the speed limit is perfectly safe. He is trying to eliminate this inconvenient point from the argument by saying 'nobody cares'.

The thing is, we do care, its the whole bloody point! Yes, if we conveniently forgot our principles then we would all agree with his point of view, duh!

I know I've answered this already, but I'd just like to highlight the disingenuous leap that you have made in ignoring the fact that the statement I made was CONDITIONAL.



Relative carnage? As in the German Autobahns having HALF the fatality rate of the Belgian and Austrian Motorways perhaps?

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Ah yes. You're still being disingenuous.



Apart from the fact that we can no longer rely on speed limits being sensibly set, it's not very catchy is it?

And it mentions the speed limit three times which is possibly about 2.75 more times than its road safety value would suggest.

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Why do you only refer to Motorways, and more importantly, why did you specifically pick Belgium and Austria? We don't live there.

What's the fatalitiy rate of the Autobahn (derestricted sections) like compared to the UK?

Consider the following scenarios.

If you were a regular GA pilot with a PPL - would you fly through the Shawbury MATZ and over the field, then do an unannounced touch and go off 06L at EGCC after flying across the low level corridor at 3300' (while sqwawking 7500 for a laugh) because it was safe and clear to do so?

Because they prove that your suggestion is bollocks.



Double would be a good guess. Do you think that proves something?

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Considered, and still failing to see the relevance.

Civvies....geez!

EDIT: Remind me which class of airspace MATZs are again?

you've not taken much notice of pedestrian behaviour in this country have you? Walking out of the way would require then to have bothered looking where they were going in the first place, something they are even less likely to do if vehicles are only moving at 10mph.
BTW, how many kids are run over by their parents every year?

Since about 30% of pedestrians involved in RTAs' are drunk, I doubt they could walk out of the way of a brick wall.

Do you have a source for that? Ta

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AIUI about 30% of pedestrians involved in an RTA are over the legal alcohol limit for driving, which in no way equates to being "drunk".

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Always - totally agree...


Why?

Always - totally agree...


Not where I live...

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In that case why isn't the limit on the M25 set to 20?

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So there we have it folks, according to mpaton it is always perfectly safe to drive AT the speed limit!

From what part of my statement did you infer that garbage?

If speed limits were set like that, then it would indeed always be safe to drive at that speed, and usually safe to drive above it.

If speed limits are the true maximum, they should be set for the best conditions.

'The speed limit has been set based on the worst case hazard scenario that can reasonably be expected on this particular road.'


Worra plank! What ideal world does HE live in?

The real one, unlike correspondents on this site who believe they are above all motoring laws, and any sort of law that inconveniences them in any slight way.

Once attended a case in which someone ran over their own child in the driveway. Speed was low reversing speed. Bumper hit child's head.

Quite a few nationwide of this type of incident - only we class them as "domestic accidents"

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