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Who rattled basingwerk's chains??????

Think we'd need tougher engines to haul that kind of weight around.



It would need specialised track and tougher wagons to accommodate the weight of all those mega ton juggernauts - plus the entire landscape and infrastructure would need a complet rebuild.

We ain't got the time nor the money - even if we had comptetent managers




Er ... warehousing requires space and we have already used up some of the browfield sites for town housing and office blocks inmany areas...



Each time I've use the Tunnel - loading and unloading have been slow - with ferry roll on/off marginally quicker.

But these trucks still have to pick their way from out of town depots and train terminals to the shops. It would push up prices and not resolve any issues either.

All the supermarkets in Cumbria are not near train stations - so we'd be no better off from this. This is same in most areas - out of town superstores and so on...which never shut shop either!



You still have to have load these HGVs at a warehouse and they still have to drive to these depots just the same to continue their journey. YThen no doubt to another localised warehouse to be despatched on tothe retail outlet per their ordering systems. Remember these stores order what they can sell. High street shops are example - what sells well in one store may not sell as well in another. They order according to local taste and what shifts in the store.



They'd still be using them to reach the retail outlets - which would be miles from the depot!.



And with trains using electricity? What happens in a power cut?




But then we could do as EU do and ban HGVs at weekend



But they still have to get to a retail outlet in a place miles from a depot!

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Now THERE's an understatement!

How many trucks do you think use our motorways in a day?

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Sorry Pete and Mad Moggie, I can't compete against such arguments!

I'll just shut up.

I've always fancied driving around in a lorry, listening to Radio 4 and eating yorkie bars for a living. I've found a quick way to get a lorry driver's license, £650 for the 5 day intensive course, (rigid or artic). The price is right, so I might train up to be a scab if this strike ever happens. Dratsabati reckons pubs will run out of beer by day 3; it's worth it to stop that!

By the way, did you see that show last night about traffic cops? They found a drunken lorry driver wearing stockings and high heeled boots, who'd been waggling his organs at passing bikers near the Cat and Fiddler in Cheshire. Is that a sort of ritual hazing ceremony that lorry drivers have to do?

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More than a few Thousand




We have a limited Passenger rail Network, we have little in the way of Freight. The infrusture to accomadate the amount of goods that go by truck is massive. We are a thousands of miles of track & depots short.




You still have to load the shipping container, which is somewhat slower than a Curtain side trailer

Then you have to look at the cost, rail maintenance, still need the same amount of trucks and drivers, then rail workers, cost of land for depot's. The rail would need to make a huge profit, to justify the cost of the massive rail infrusture required.

So you would proberly triple the cost of transport, thus raise the cost of living.

Rail is just not a viable option.

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Okay, okay. bmwk12, I get the point, this is not the place to be pro-rail!

You must be based up north for that price. You must take rigid before Artic, so for your artic license at that price you are looking at £1,300, which is damned cheap. More realistic is approx £1,100 each test, including Med & theory.




Two days training, to learn that trick

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I'll defend your right to be pro rail and to post pro rail views.

I'd love to see some soundly based pro rail views. I'm having trouble finding any / much.

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I think the point is that rail is effective for some freight movements, but by no means for all. It's hard to see a significant rail component in retail distribution, for example.

Typically, rail is only going to be cost-effective when at least one end of the journey (and ideally both) is delivering bulk goods directly to or from a mine, factory or depot.

Coal haulage from mines to power stations (now much diminished) is a very good example.

This is why a lot of talk of expanding rail and getting lots of lorries off the road is pie-in-the-sky.

Nevertheless, the rail freight operator EWS say on their website that they have increased rail freight by 50% since 1996:

http://www.ews-railway.co.uk/about/facts.html

Also in many places on the network there is no room for further freight paths because of the volume of passenger traffic.

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Wake up and smell the coffee fella, cos it was delivered by a truck and driver, as was your computer, and probably everything else you own.

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So, because one truck driver has poor fashion sense and needs a visit by Trinny and Susannah, you think all of us are the same?

Must be honest, thats the first truck driver I've heard of flashing, most of the flashers I've heard of do it in parks or on streets, both places that trucks are not allowed.

ps, don't bother making any more childish comments in my direction, because I will simply ignore them. GOODBYE.

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Did they deliver my stuff for nothing? No way - I paid for that when you got your cheque, so you can't grumble.



That's funny!

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I was not being anti rail, just realistic

I would like to put goods on a train, routes just are not available.

Trains are typically a higher cost.

Euro Tunnel: £250.00 e.w

Ferry: £120.00 ew

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Truck will average 6 to 7 mpg, anyone got the figures for a train


I would imagine that a train, fully loaded would be quite effcient. Assuming a new loco (don't they call them power cars?)is compared to a new truck. But obviously you end up using more gas when you have to take the stuff all round the Wrekin on a train, when you can go door to door on a truck.

Are there any figures for energy used for people to go A to B train Vs Car?

We have approaching 5,000 tonnes of produce leave the farm every year on wheels. Unless every chip shop has a rail siding, a train is out for shifting the spuds and the wheat needs sidings at all the docks and mills to make that one work.

Are there any figures for energy used for people to go A to B train Vs Car?

Never seen any figures, are their any train experts out there

Bus to Car, the car is far more effeicent with regard to fuel use.

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The average figures usually quoted are 1 mile/gallon for intercity trains and 5-6 miles/gallon for commuter trains.

Surely this depends on the passenger loading. Figures I have seen suggest that a typical car uses about six times less fuel per mile than a bus. Therefore a bus with 40 people on it will be more efficient than a car with 2, a bus with 10 people on it will be less efficient than a car with 3.

I have seen figures that the average loading of a bus is about 9 people, of a car about 1.6, in which case their average fuel efficiency is similar.

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I agree, if buses run with a bum in every seat, they are more efficient.

However in reality they are far from that.

A car travels from A to B

A bus travels from A to Z, whether it has any passengers on it or not.

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Problem is, that where I live there does seem to be a bum on every seat. ie a smelly drunken old bum who talks to themselves That's why I don't like busses

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