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I don't know that there is any justification for it. My car got broken in to, I've had a bike stolen and my son had the window of his car broken and some items stolen from the back seat and he was assaulted while out for a walk one day. And I got to ten points on my driving licence.
I suppose these things drop to the bottom of the priority list when there are so many other offences being comited that also demand attention. One thing I do know, it isn't the police themselves who are to blame. Its those who saddle the police with all sorts of form filling and accountability proving that keeps them off the streets. They are to blame.
But, even though a lot of things about this country drive me to distraction, one thing I am still able to maintain a sense of perspective...



If you want to see what REAL powermongering is all about may I suggest a world tour of Dictatorships to help recalibrate your own sense of perspective. Start with Zimbabwe....

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I'd agree with that - except that my honest perception is that there's no effort made to prioritise on "serious" crime. Whilst I'm happy to blame government for most things, I'm not convinced that the consequences of target setting is their fault. It's right there should be targets on all areas of public service.

Where it goes wrong is mis-interpretation and manipulation of the targets. I'd put the blame on ACPO and the chief constables (ie the police) - they're the ones who invented the forms and decided to bump up their stats by going for easy targets. When less than 10% of police time is spent on the beat, that's the chief constables fault, not the governments. They spend too much time "target-fiddling" rather than doing the job and reporting honest stats.

This is true in so many areas, my doctor only allows appointments to be made on the day he can see you, otherwise it's "phone back on wednesday and you can make an appointment". Great so he doesn't show a high waiting time for appointments, but hardly right is it?

The "human-rights" act is the same. The intention is good - it's the twats that interpret it that give it a bad name.



That's no reason to allow this country to drift into the same sort of thing is it?

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I'm with Graeme on this one, there are more than just a "handful" of police who seem to believe that they ARE the law rather than just guardians of the law.

Don't get me wrong....I have no problems with law enforcement when it is applied correctly, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to be dictated to by some snot nose whippersnapper who got bullied at school.

There is a difference between standing up for your rights, and to needlessly, constantly and purposefully test the limits of your rights in a manner which is bound to rub some people up the wrong way. From that video, I'm left with the impression that Mr Pollard does such things because he can, not because he has reasonable cause to.

To be honest, I can’t help but think he could well have had a hand in the cause of the situation (continues below).


This is exactly my point. In my eyes, Mr Pollard subsequently acted in a manner which makes me question him; therefore I also have to question what happened off camera in the run up to the situation. Perhaps he was mouthing off beforehand too - likely? I should think so! Therefore, simply because of the obvious disagreeable nature of Mr Pollard, I cannot justify linking the shown actions of the officers with how they should be perceived. Do you remember that old advertisement for a newspaper, titled ‘get the full picture’ with a video clip cut at different points to get different perspective?


However, I will say this: IMO failure for any officer to give their ID numbers, when requested, should be a disciplinary offence. Refusal to comply strongly indicates they are unwilling to be held accountable for their actions (as in this case).


Was there such a statement? If not, was there any damage?

You're right in that we don't know what went on beforehand, however what I see in the video is:

- The police walking away till they spot the camera
- The police then going onto his property to "have him" for filming them
- Him standing up for himself
- The police walking away when they realise they're in the wrong

There was no mention by the police of anything other than filming them, they had a go at him. If it were me, I would have got very indignant as well and would probably have told them to feck off.

No apology and as you say they failed to identify themselves.

I've not seen any statement about it, that's the problem. Knowing that the public have little respect for the police, I think more "public floggings" are necessary to restore faith - assuming of course that the powers that be actually think the officers were out of order. The problem these days is that no matter what any person "in power" does, there is NEVER condemnation of the act - always public support. ie - we're always right.

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My bold,

Rubs both ways!


So you're weeding your front garden with a hoe, two plod walk in and tell you with attitude it is an offence to use a hoe, and to stop, how would you react?

All cops should wear headcams to show exactly what they do, the technology is available, why are'nt ACPO demanding this, perfect evidence from the cops eye view.

It just seems to becoming more and more us and them.

I have more reason than most to dislike the police, a fatality that caused the CC to resign to save his pension.

I now like to be sure the police follow the law and procedures required by it properly.

fatboytim

So why is it OK for 'them' to film/CCTV us, but not OK for us to film them ?

Surely with no privacy rights in the UK, anybody can film anybody else, regardless of who they are. The only caveat is if you film MOD property when the Official Secrets Act and (probably) the Defence of the Realm Act apply.

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Still not getting nervous?

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/liv ... rtComments

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Wasn't it Adolf Hitler who said,

"What luck for Rulers that people don't think"

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It's tricky doing nothing - you never know when you're finished

I’m also with Graeme on this, it’s sad when you have to carry a camera in the car just in case you get done for speeding and you could be innocent.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Go on then - how does carrying a camera help?

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It's tricky doing nothing - you never know when you're finished

You can throw it at plod, thus distracting them whilst they fill in their H&S report giving you time to make your getaway

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The bottom line is that these Police Officers attempted to Bully this chap and he stood his ground, why is that so wrong? HE WAS DOING NOTHING WRONG, as such, I think charges of being a wanker are quite strong. I would have said that the wankers are those who put up with this crap and bullying.

I think alot of his 'bravado' was probably down to his own nerves, Police at demonstrations are quite willing to stick a camera in someones' face when it suits them, they become remarkably camera shy in return.

I think this chap has shown us a great deal, I hope those Officers learn from their experience.

Quite agree with your entries on this topic, Graeme.

And I am indeed very fearful for the freedoms that have already been given up in the name of terrorism / government / security / whatever, and also for those freedoms that will be given up in the future if the great British public doesn't put a stop to it.

Disastrous, and very sad

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p.s. I am still absolutely floored by Paul's death. May 2008 be the greatest ever for SafeSpeed. His spirit lives on.

It’s helps when you can take pictures of the road conditions, signage etc. The sort of things these SCP’s will say was there when it wasn’t. Years ago, I wouldn’t have dreamt of carrying a camera until I got caught for speeding on my motor bike. The Scammers said the camera wasn’t hidden and because they had gone before I got back to where they where, it was my word against there’s, we all know who’s word they took.

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OHMIGOD THEY WANT TO DO WHAT???

Oh wait, its in the Mail on Sunday.

Whew, thought that was something to worry about for a second

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

mine just went off the scale then

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Yep - must be rubbish then eh?

Now where's that spade so I can bury my head in the sand and pretend all is well in the world...

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Yeah, you could do that.

Or, you could maintain a sense of (and I'll use that word again) perspective.

Mind you, if you're concerned about possible monitoring of your phone calls, you REALLY don't want to know what GCHQ get up. You think that's a dead fly in your bathroom light?

And you really don't want to know what goes on at these places...

http://robocat.users.btopenworld.com/bases.htm

I'm surprised the website author hasn't, you know, 'vanished'.<shudder>

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

That doesn’t apply here. The plod in this instance clearly overstepped the mark; those individuals can and should be made to account for their actions.


You leave my hoe out of this

Oddly enough, nothing like that has ever happened to me, but I shall answer.
I would laugh at first. Once I’ve ascertained they’re serious, I would say what they are asking is unreasonable and ask for proof; I would also ask for their ID numbers – so far so good. Should I not get satisfaction I would call for a witness and a camera, then probably the police. Most significantly: I would be polite. I would not shout my mouth off with “this is a free country” “this isn’t communist China” and “this is a police state” “police harassment”, shouting over them while they try to contact HQ, so making myself look a total tool who appears to take delight in goading people. Instead I would calmly get all the evidence I need and take it to the next level. I would definitely make sure any conning egotistical barsteward (or organisation if applicable) is held to account – properly - instead of scoring political points!

Be honest: subsequent to the male officer deciding to radio it in, was any of that spouted tripe really needed?


Pollard helped how? Society gets what society deserves?