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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Didn't Del Boy do something similar in Only Fools and Horses? He put a slip of paper in his tax disc holder stating "Tax in post".

Sorry, I don't mean to take the urine but I have absolutely no faith in a Traffic Warden exercising correct judgement in this case. In fact I'd lay good money that you'll end up with a ticket.

As I said in another post today, "cynical, moi?".

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If nothing else works, then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.

The website's down not in cahoots with the CSCP are they the site (if it were working) lets you do a search to see what details are held against a vehicle. So assuming it works, does that allow me to pick a car in the car park and see if it's insured?

Max

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Tailgaters - Please Pass
You have an Accident to go to!

But if they do that then the DVLA will look at their records and see that the vehicle is indeed taxed.

I agree that the average local authority traffic warden is pretty thick but they are working to targets which do not include anything but parking violations, the police traffic warden has a wider mandate but is also better trained and more astute and will almost certainly recognise a waste of his/her time and not issue a ticket.

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Whatever type of warden, he's wears classic yellow peril uniform and has previously ticketed cars in our street for non-display of VED discs.

You're right about the reference number. However, when I phoned DVLA they said that I wouldn't be able to use the online system because my son's V11 hasn't got a relicencing reference number. I noticed that the online system lets you enter the registration and V5 document reference number as an alternative, which I hope will let me tax the car this weekend.

WRT the six-month thing, I've already spotted that and intend to take his out for only six months if only to avoid having two cars to tax at the same time.

Thanks again to all,

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Will

Thanks, Peter.

FWIW, I have tried that number. I got a recording apologising that the service was not available, "due to circumstances beyond our control." It was the same all day yesterday while I was trying to tax my car.

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Will

A couple of ideas.

Tax the car now from the 1st Feb, you lose a month's tax but know you are in the clear.

Take out a new insurance policy online or by 'phone, use the cover note to tax the car then cancel the insurance under the 14 day "distance selling" rule. (I assume you have a credit card).

If he had a credit card he could use for this transaction he could have paid for the insurance renewal with it well in advance.

I was a bit surprised this wasn't put forward as an option, but it's not for me to tell other people how to run their finances, and there may be a very good reason for not having a credit card. Maybe the insurer doesn't accept credit card payments - in which case it's a good reason to switch to one that does.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Gents , perhaps a BiB will confirm this -the people who prosecute for not having ved are the dvla. on the seperate offence of non display perhaps a BIB could inform us.
Dvla are informed of vehicle on road by BIB/TRAFFIC WARDEN , or Joe public . But if dvla have issued ved disk, would they be likely to prosecute as the vehicle is in law taxed., the only offence committed being failure to display .
Of course LAWSWORTH could say that the driver has a month to get the disk so as to be able to display it on said date.

It is his fault, he should sort his finances to ensure he has the funds to tax & insure his car

If he cannot afford to run his car, tell him to take the bus until he can


This system is the best the dvla have had, to take the scroats off the road that are running without:

Insurance, that protects other road users, should your son wipe someone's car or life out.

Road tax, that partially goes towards the cost of road maintenance, that all drivers have to pay

Pay up or catch the bus

Rant over

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Steve

That seems a bit harsh, mate. I know what you're saying about the system and the growing problem of uninsured oxygen thieves, but (a) the system ain't dealing with it too well so far, and (b) it's not like there's any intention to avoid getting a tax disc or insurance in Will's son's case. Just a problem with the current insurance and tax expiring on the same day and as a result not having docs with the right dates on. I'd be astounded if Will's kid was the first driver to ever run into this, but they have the additional misfortune of a local uniformed jobsworth to worry about. Otherwise I'm sure he'd just tax it Monday like the rest of us would have and this thread would never have been started.

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Seems a bit rough, we are allowed 14 days AFTER the expiry to pay our registration fees and as 3rd party personal injury is included there is no link required to check for insurance.

It would be nicer if it was a requirement to have 3rd party property insurance but unfortunately it's optional over here.

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

I considered that but also many insurers charge an additional premium for CC and his chosen insurer may not take CC at all.

A cover note could be obtained from the likes of Direct Lie and the cover cancelled in the 14 day cooling off period for a full refund.

It feels more harsh if the day he does not have Insurance, he writes someones car off

You can purchase Insurance at any time, and schedule it to start on your required day. The Insurance company would of sent out a reminder way before the day of expiry.



You have an allowance, which was 14 days, (which i believe may now have been reduced?, i am sure i saw something on one my Trucks reminders).

Either way, you do not have to purchase on the day of expiry, as this can sometimes occur on a weekend. However you must purchase max within 14 days, which will cover from the 1st day of the Month.

Insurance is another kettle of fish, this must be purchased in advance of expiry, as we never know when we are going to have an accident, we can never be without of Insurance.


Should you he have an accident on the day he has no Insurance, and he could run into anyone of us, who will pay the repair bills, surely not him, as he does not have the funds

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Steve

Unless I badly misread the OP Will's son will be insured, so that doesn't actually apply. The issue is not that he will be uninsured for a few days, only that he will not have documentation for a few days.

:roll: I've had the reminder turn up after the new certificate once. Just as well it was on DD.

I know that, but AFAICT it ain't part of this problem. Sorry to repeat myself, but as I see it he will not be uninsured at any point in time. I'm absolutely with you on the problem of uninsured drivers being a bloody menace and leaving the rest of us carrying the can for their irresponsible behaviour. But this ain't the same problem as he will be insured continuously. Willcove said his son's insurance runs out at the end of the month, which is next Monday, and he's going to have the money for his new premium tomorrow. He coughs up sometime tomorrow and his new policy starts the second his old one runs out midnight Monday, so he's not going to be uninsured at any stage of the game, right?

I know there's supposed to be 14 days grace but I don't know whether that's written in stone or sand, and Willcove's got the traffic warden to worry about... maybe he's just a creature of habit and always does Will's street on the first. Maybe he's a little jobsworth who's sending his notebook to Swansea on the 2nd every month. I don't blame them for wanting to be certain. I've never seen the 14 day thing actually written down anywhere, so if the first is a weekend I prefer to buy my discs a few days before expiry. Actually I try to do that all the time as the queues in the Post Office on the 1st of each month are about a %#@*ing fortnight long anyway. But that's not so easy when you're young and probably having to stretch pennies.

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Thanks for the support

DVLA tell me that the offence is failure to display the tax disc, not failure to pay. However, the 2002 regs let them deduce that you have no valid tax disc (and so can't display one) where their records show you haven't paid. Should you fail to display the disc, you will be guilty of an offence no matter whether the failure to display is within your control. Although DVLA give 14 day's grace before they issue fixed penalty notices, that is not written in stone and they say that the offence will have been committed and that the local jobsworth is my problem. They say that, pragmatically, all I can do is get my son's car off the road while it is not displaying a valid tax disc.

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Will