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BP made $16.2bn in profit last year. Shell did well too, as did top US oil firms. You're looking at maybe $75 or $100 bn profits shared among the top firms, and billions more for smaller ones. That's industry, and it will only recognise the problem now that it is too late to deal with it!

Yet global warming is the true threat to pollution profits, not scientists. Could they be throwing out chaff, like this News Week distraction?

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Why should the tories have an anti-global-warming agenda, when it was probably them who started the scare in the first place?
The scare started just at the time when Mrs. Thatcher appeared to be losing the battle against the striking coal miners. All of a sudden, global warming was mentioned, and both the Hadley Centre for climatic research and the IPCC were set up within an indecently short period of time.



Of course climate change is happening. It changes all the time, always has and always will.
And it's not the environmentalists behind it - it's control-freak governments. The environmentalists simply jumped on the bandwagon.
I would suggest that you do some reading up on the stuff, and then you can make up your own mind - it's all available.

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And Gordon Brown got £30-something billion from fuel tax.

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Peter

The average household produces more than twice the amount of CO2 that the average car does. So why then, if the evidence is so compelling, do they not tax heating fuel and electricity at 300+% as they do with petrol and diesel?



If that were true then few people would be arguing the issue.
As for 'scientific consensus', well that's an oxymoron, if there ever was one.

Suggest you look at the work of highly reputable scientists and climatoligists such as: Richard Lindzen, Patrick Michaels, Philip Stott and a host of others.

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Peter

Yes – creating more pressure on oil companies to besmirch environmentalists – even our national treasury profits from oil usage. Are you for pollution curbs, or against them?

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There are 7 respected scientists that dispute the theory, compared with roughly 10,000 who argue that it is likely true. Of those 7, at least 4 of them are raking in large consultancy dealings with ExxonMobil, Royal Shell, UNOCAL and Sun Oil, and the leading light in the US has close ties with the Moonies.

Look - you may or not believe this, but sometimes governments do good things.

Tc.

Depends what you call polution...

Lead...yes
Carbon Monoxide...yes
Sulphor... yes
Soot... yes

Co2, no. You can breath as much as you like and you won't drop dead.
An average car on average mileage makes as much co2 as two dary cows. Nature handles Co2 very well. In fact it needs co2.

If it were so bad it would be banned from fizzy drinks, fire fighting equipment, refrigeration, welding and hundreds of other uses.

Methane has a greater greenhouse factor yet we are increasing re-cycling and composting which is releasing millions of tonns of methane into the atmosphere.

Then we get to the global warming myth don't we..

If global warming is not caused by Co2 there is no reason to pay the tax we do. So a good reason to keep the myth alive if you are in government.

Could be the biggest conspiracy ever.

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We should not just print off the bank notes and use those to pay for roads, education and health, pensions etc. They tried that in Germany between the wars and it was a bad idea. Nope – you have to pay for your public services, I’m sorry to say.

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Explain how...

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Taxes are also good - I like the idea of there being a safety net if my life hits the buffers through no fault of my own.

Tc.

Have you seen the fiercely independent Oregon Petition?

http://www.oism.org/pproject/index.htm

Any advance on 19,700?

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A recent documentary examined the phenomenon known as Global Dimming as was able to make a definite link between it, global pollution and the changing climate over northern Africa.
The evidence was compelling, and I'm also convinced that this is a problem we cannot ignore. Going in to denial over global warming now, only to be proved wrong later, would be a tragedy.

I saw the programme and found nothing "compelling" about it except the obvious one-sidedness.

I saw it too. very compelling. But only gave one side of the story. I did not buy into the vapour trail threory. That got a bit daft. I have never seen skys like that whenever I have been there, even near major airports in LA and Chicago.

I suspect there may be another side to the story but as ususal we get "spoon fed" the facts from the TV.

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Frederick Seitz (primary signator of the Oregon petition) was the chief medical officer for RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company. Hardly the kind of person I'd liek to see wielding control over pollution research.

Anyways, even if the high-falutin' science of Global Warming/Dimming is arguable, Peak Oil is very much a common-sense reality.

Sooner or later, we *are* going to have to give up the internal combustion engine. Hopefully we'll have some kind of replacement by the time we do*...

Tc.

* - Though it is possible to run a diesel engine off hemp oil.

What do you mean by one-sidedness? The programme examined a particular phenomenon and offered plausible explanations for the effects that had been discovered. What other side would you have liked to have seen discussed? Perhaps there just is no 'other side' to this phenomenon i.e. polluted atmosphere - we have effect, less pollution - effect diminishes.

How about photometer records?

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But it was those very records, and the varying levels they recorded that led to the disdcovery of the effect in the first place.

Yeah - I looked up this Seitz fellow too, and it turns out he's a right 'un! Does this person have a ' fiercely independent' bone in his body?

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That's right, and those Australian blokes with thier evaporation dishes. You can't pull the wool over thier eyes!

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Not true. We have hydrogen, ethenol etc just around the corner. Both can be used in conventional engines.

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