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Funny that, most crap jobs I see are still done by "white trash", like cleaning toilets, flipping burgers and storing supermarket shelves? Maybe I live in an area that bucks the trend.

I say that because polish workers are working in our last surviving shipyard, and my neighbour who works in a booming engineering plant said they have taken on 2 immigrants, hardly a crappy job working in there.

There are also lots of polish workers employed on the huge re-development site in our area, why haven't they employed more locals?

And further to this my uncle who is a lorry driver said immigrants are snapping up driving jobs and putting "white trash" drivers to ruin. Now I would hardly say HGV driving is a shitty job would you?

The bog standard excuse used by companies who employ immigrants is "we can't find locals who will do the job". Translation: "We employ immigrants because they will work for less".

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From http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_04_ ... grants.htm

Is not as if immigrants in this country is a new thing. It has happened for years.
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/ ... immig.html


Paying Immigrants less? if the workers are here, working legally in this conutry, I would think the empolyer woould be bound to pay them the same as any other worker. It has also been well documented that there is a skills shortage in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/919374.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/807053.stm

I think you are confusing illegal immigrants, with legal ones which is not fair.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/797491.stm

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Employers know they an pay minimum wage to an immigrant for a role that would otherwise have commanded more than that.

Yes there has been immigrants for years but it was a steady flow doing menial tasks but now, in addition to this, they are taking jobs that skilled and experienced brits should be doing but who are being undercut by cheap immigrant labour, and thus made unemployed (more likely unemployable).

Doctors, engineers, builders etc. are all being filled by immigrants now in pursuit of cheap labour and I doubt the NHS will be complaining.

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Andrew

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I can not see how you can blame immigrants for the failing of our goverment.
You can't blame musliums and minorties for the PC crap we see all round us.
All the BNP does is blame people, some guy called hitler did to the jew.

Everyone should be treated equally, but they are not. You have people sat in an office (probally white) thinking up all this PC crap, feeling guilty about the empire and tring to get rid of any trace it in our country. I think we are the only country that sees it's own flag as a symbol of racism . I go to scotland I like to see the scotish flag flying (you can't help some people you see ) England is the seems to be the only country where it is worng to be proud of being english (It is almost illegal)

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It is due to this government's policies on immigration. Immigrants are just pawns in the game but unfortunately they suffer directly as a consequence. Just like Jews did in Nazi Germany.



Im not!



Yes our situation with immigrants is very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany.



They are called the Liberal left who feel guilty about Britain's "shameful" past and are now trying to appease the kith and kin of the "oppressed".



No. It is Racist to fly a saltire up here.

The whole point is we have all sat back and done Fu*k all about these lunatuics bringing the jack boot down on our faces through legislation spawned from that great oppressor political correctness. Whichever way you look at it we are being run like some former soviet block country with oppression by stealth.

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As said in my post in Soapbox (missed this - I posted up the "Express" version of this story) - nothing wrong with the course itself and a lot of police liaison officers are working with the schools on similar schemes. The difference is that it is offered to all and they all have to pay for these lessons. If the family is on benefit - then here - they pay a lower fee and the budget tops up the difference.

I do not agree with offering the course to one group and condescendingly suggesting they have more accidents.

To me positive discrimination towards any group - gender or race - has always seemed "racist and sexist" as it does rather imply "incapable by own merit" and does not give that person they think they are "helping" that feeling of worth and self-confidence. I think it does more harm than good in terms of race and gender relations.

As far as the tax funded course is concerened... to be controversial here - I would not have much problem if the prats were funding this. Better spend than yet another speed cam as it has a more lasting benefit . I would still say open to all - equally just the same.

My other issue is that you have to pay to drive a car and I would say that a nominal fee to have the course would also teach these youngsters that driving is a privilege (an expensive one in real terms) - and an earned right - and not a benefit funded human right.

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Yawn, here we go again!! sorry, haven't got the link, but we've been over this before and it just goes around in circles. Shall we just agree that it's the Council's of all party's that are the twisted extremists with nothing more on their minds than how to screw the Queen's subjects than to blame the BNP or our immigrant population?

Such simplistic arguments aren't worthy of this site or its members IMO.

And your point is ??? ???

I don't understand the stuff I've quoted. Perhaps it's the wording or me being thick - sorry if that's the case. Perhaps you could reword for my benefit?

That's fine, If you don't understand it, it's because I haven't explained it very well.

What I was trying to get across, is that we've been over this ground before, therefore what's the point in going over the same material twice? We all end up having heated exchanges with regards to immigrants and subsequently the BNP, yet the true focus of the argument should be on the Council which is the subject matter.

In this case, It's the Council and it's policies (that are being funded by the taxpayer), which require examination; once again, a simplistic argument worthy of a red-top newspaper or the independant ensues and whilst it all gets very heated, the subject matter is discarded in favour of simple-minded politics.

In short; this has F-all to do with the BNP so why bother bringing it up?

Fair enough I quite agree - I did respond when the BNP was brought up but didn't raise the matter in the first place to fair to myself.

Because as a result of the the actions of the local council, people feel too much postive discrination occurs. So they therefore want to stop this and vote for the BNP.

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I've never been able to understand why 'they' think 'positive discrimination' is acceptable. One man's positive discrimination is another's negative discrimination by definition.

I also think that positive discrimination causes racial hatred.

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Couple of years ago (when I had some connections in local politics) I had a customer grumbleing about the possibility that some local disused army accomodation was going to be used for housing "Assylum Seekers" and wanted to know what could be done about it.

My Response "Elect a BNP councilor! That should make the problem go away!" In the event, it never came to that but there have been places arround the country where this has proved to be an effective stratagy in preventing central government from ignoreing peoples views.

As I have said already *Only* the positive act of voting "Outside the Box" will make them take any notice of you!

Abstention is NOT an option!

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There is no such thing as positive discrimination; It's a fallacy.

So are you agreeing that the BNP has positive benefits? That the BNP are the only party likely to bring a halt to unfettered immigration?

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Most definitely!

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Ummm, how do you work that one out? You have highly-paid jobs advertised which specify "applicants from the Asian Community" or "must be fluent Urdu" etc...

If that's not 'positive' discrimination, what is?

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In other words it's discrimination, plain and simple. Look, the bottom line is, the country's f*cked, we're "Governed" by a bunch of nutters at all levels, and by half-brained lobby groups; the media's bought and paid for, outsiders are taking advantage and for many, BNP's the only party that is willing to listen without spouting the same old PC crap. I would vote for them tomorrow if they were in my area but they are not.

I have nothing further I wish to add other than to refer back to the original piece which is why the Council are doing this in the first place.