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I am bored with this debate. 2 people arguing the toss over minor wording. On both sides there is too much at stake, neither sides of the debate will ever concede the slightest piece of ground. The hydrocarbon suppliers fund research and the global warming lobby debunk it saying that they have a vested interest in the results saying it is nothing to do with human activity. So the global warming lobby do some research, put the temperature sensors in built up areas where the temperature is always warmer, then try to cover up massaging their figures and findings, and so it goes on.

Politicians fly all over the world to have meetings to tell me I can't fly to a holiday once in a blue moon, then get in their V8 Luxo Barges after jacking the tax up on my little car and bike that I hardly use.

I have no doubt that being more careful with the worlds resources can only ever be a good thing. But until everyone gets a quota of resources that they can either use or sell it will just be a matter of the rich carrying on as normal while everyone else lives like the Armish. I'm an happy to live like that as long as everyone else does.

I can't stand the way when we have a warm summer it's all global warming, but give use the coldest January for 20 years and all the global warming noises go quite. In Iowa they have had more snow in January than they would expect all winter, and Feb and March are the months they normally get snow.

Carry on, lads.

So?
There needs to be a balance; without this the arguments (and vested interests) would be very one sided, effectivelly leaning towards "big control".

"Big control", the opposite of "big oil", I like that

Either the science withstands scrutiny, or it doesn't; it does help if it is presented!
Besides, a total of "hundreds of thousands" of "dollars", not pounds I notice, shared between UK anti-AGW groups, over several years, doesn't nearly begin to scratch how much has been given to pro-AGW groups (MET, CRU, etc). A flea's fart in a hurricane and all that!

Anyway, I don't think the oil companies are in that much of a rush to quell the pro-AGW arguments. Remember, oil use isn't being rationed - it is being taxed heavier. Higher taxes allows a higher pre-tax price - and more profit for the oil companies - without anyone really noticing, bonus! Besides, war machines aren't going low CO2 footprint anytime soon - conservation for diversion!

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So nothing. I am just taking jomo's advice and "following the money"

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

What a lovely piece of balanced and unbiased reporting that is, the way it stayed away from emotive muck raking is a breath of fresh air. The comparison between a scientist that falsified his results and has been found out and another that was hounded because others altered his results and were found out is so apt.

We all know the Earth is the centre of the universe and these climate deniers are just like the blasphemers that suggest the Earth and planets orbit the Sun. They simply cannot understand that the observed motions of the celestial bodies are very complex and only to be grasped by the faithful.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Until the "warmists" explain how the few percent [of CO2] that mans activities put into the atmosphere cause, or increase, global warming then I will believe it does not.
And in any case, as recent weather conditions show....cold craps society up more than warm.
The further away we keep from cold the better...and the place isn't quite warm enough yet...
In any case, as the "warmists" are fond of saying....increasing temperatures lead to unpredictable climate alterations...maybe africa will get more rain...and the deserts may bloom !
Until then: They're [warmists] just crooks with their hands in the till, milking the money from governments for all its worth....

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Why choose to follow the 100ks instead of the 79,000,000k

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Wheres my 'China Loves Coal' T-Shirt

Resourcehouse, the Australian coal and iron-ore project developer planning a Hong Kong listing next month, said at the weekend it had signed Australia’s largest export contract worth US$60bn with China Power International Development.

The 20-year sales agreement is for the supply of 30m tonnes a year of coal worth “approximately” US$3bn a year.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/238e9f88-13be ... ab49a.html

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I am not greedy

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign

X2

I recon these 18 pages talking about GW has got my study room up to a needless 24 deg.

I'm in my T shirt and knickers here, not a pretty sight I can tell you

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Having seen the latest guff ad from the act on CO2 brigade , I'm wondering if we should put up a loft insulation layer -as according to them it "prevents CO2 build up"

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Oh, you mean because the insulation is better, you use less heating, so less CO2 is emitted from the power stations ?
Which are running at capacity anyway ?
And when we are on renewable energy the maximum need will be at night, when it is cold, and there is no sun or wind ?

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

There is recent talk of using underwater balloons to store excess energy, in the form of compressed air....really!

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What are your reservations about compressed air energy storage, Steve? Apart from the inefficiency?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I heard on the radio the other day someone who made a valid point I think He said that even if you believe that mankind is only 50% responsible we should be doing something about it.

To extrapolate further, (or maybe I mean interpolate since I'm going towards the 'point of origin' I think), given the huge population and demands on the Earth, even if it's just 10% or less it's still no small amount. You could probably say the same if it was only 1%. In global terms it's still nonetheless an incredible amount of gas and polution is it not?

Don't shoot the messenger:

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

There is also the issue of capacity. I doubt even 1 such balloon is enough for one household during a summer's night, let alone a winter's one.

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I thought maximum need was during the DAY - which is why they try to sell you cheap electricity at night, so as to give the power stations something to do rather than just dump their heat into the cooling towers?

Considering that the fine for "Smuggling" 100 Watt lightbulbs into the EU(SSR) is £5000 (thats for private individuals! more for companies! )

That isnt really funny AT ALL!

More of a vision of the furure unless the madness stops!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

I agree with you. It's easy to ridicule those who express concern about this, but things do look to be heading in that direction.

BTW, when I first looked at this page it didn't show me to be on line. After I pressed the 'reload this page' button, it showed Big Tone, PeterE, me and 2 guests on line.

Best wishes all,
Dave.