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But despite the dangers - I have to ensure that these children as well as my own are able to face out danger and interact with society as normal and well adjusted young people.

That means - they use the bus, have some independence, make their decisions within reason. last year - they all caught the bus to and from school. This year - the bus fees were increased to protest point - and it makes sense to have my eldest son build up his driving experience and give him an adult respsonsibility of ensuring his brothers and sisters get to school on time and in safety. It also works out cheaper for me as well! :lol:

But I allow them to ride their bicycles to friends' homes and sports clubs and so on. I have ground rules - they let me know when they arrive and when they set off back - just so's I am not worrying unduly, and have idea of whereabouts. I also stipulate the time I expect them to be home and in bed as well. Failure to do so results in my version of a "fixed penalty" :lol: :shock: :lol:

I'm not a parent, but surely one of the key aspects of parenthood is to allow children a steadily growing, but controlled, measure of independence as they grow older.

Some middle-class parents seem to be absolutely paranoid about the risks, but if you insist on driving your child to school until the age of 17, they're not likely to emerge as well-rounded citizens, nor to be suited to driving a car at that age.

On the other hand, you still see lots of kids of 8 and above roaming the streets at all times of night :(

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But despite the dangers - I have to ensure that these children as well as my own are able to face out danger and interact with society as normal and well adjusted young people.

That means - they use the bus, have some independence, make their decisions within reason. last year - they all caught the bus to and from school. This year - the bus fees were increased to protest point - and it makes sense to have my eldest son build up his driving experience and give him an adult respsonsibility of ensuring his brothers and sisters get to school on time and in safety. It also works out cheaper for me as well! :lol:

But I allow them to ride their bicycles to friends' homes and sports clubs and so on. I have ground rules - they let me know when they arrive and when they set off back - just so's I am not worrying unduly, and have idea of whereabouts. I also stipulate the time I expect them to be home and in bed as well. Failure to do so results in my version of a "fixed penalty" :lol: :shock: :lol:

I'm not a parent, but surely one of the key aspects of parenthood is to allow children a steadily growing, but controlled, measure of independence as they grow older.


But of course - you allow a little more lee-way all the time and re-negotiate boundaries.

I expect my kids to challenge my authority - and we negotiate all the time.

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Some middle-class parents seem to be absolutely paranoid about the risks, but if you insist on driving your child to school until the age of 17, they're not likely to emerge as well-rounded citizens, nor to be suited to driving a car at that age.


Ah! But William drives himself and his brothers and sisters to school - whilst I go to work and my wife plays around with the baby and directs her team from her own den here. She's on maternity still.

He's getting practice of rush hour and mumpty driving, independence and responsibilty for his younger brothers and sisters. They have to respect his authority whilst he is driving as well.

Think it has certainly developed his sense of respsonsibilty - and he's off to Africa after his exams in the summer for a gap year.

Still cannot believe I have child doing A Levels. Only seems like yesterday when I sat mine! (Mine were harder! :wink: )

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On the other hand, you still see lots of kids of 8 and above roaming the streets at all times of night :(


This really worries me - and these are the kids who do go missing as well or get run over...and never achieve potential.

Mine have never been allowed to roam. Like knowing where they are at all times, that they are safe and that they are not annoying anyone or committing any crimes.

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They were caught, it's what happened to them in 'nick', and after they were released, (if they survived to be released!) that wasn't talked about !!(Definite NO-NO !).

They never got the 'protection' from other prisoners then, and shouldn't now, there would be no re-offenders, except those with a death wish


I completley agree, society has changed, suddenly the likes of peadophiles are almost acceptable in society, especially after they have served their time. This is why parents are more protective and rightley so :!:

The balance of freedom and protection gets harder to deal with.

I do not lock my kids in the house, however they have very strict ground rules in comparison to some parents methods.

They must call when they arrive where they are going. They are not permitted on the street after dark, which at this time of the year means they are home by 4 pm or they have to wait at their freinds until i or my wife pick them up.

There is no point in a child hanging around or walking home in the dark. This not only makes them vulnerable, it also allows them to commit unsociable behavior, when they get bored with their freinds.

As parents we have to make choices, the one i made is i never want to have to see my child after being attacked, or worse identify them. When you get to this point it is too late, prevention is far better than cure :!:

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I guess these attitudes are what differentiates parents of a previous generation

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Presumably the guy is under watch and tagged 24/7?


Under watch :?: , i dare say, he proberly recieves the odd visit, when resources allow/

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Have you not spoken to authorities given that this guy is living close to kids?


That is called discrimination nowadays, thanks to our pc brigade :evil:

In my day, this sort, would not of been accepted in society, police certainley would not of offered protection, more turned a blind eye, however the police now have their hands tied up by the pc brigade (no pun intended :wink: )


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Am one "draconian meff" of a Papa sometimes - and they have called me a stasi control freak before now in temper. I just fined them more and extended the "curfew" :evil: :lol: :shock: :wink:


HMMN, sounds familiar :wink:

When my eldest turned 16, she stood up and said "i'm sixteen, and i will stay out until 10.30 if i want to", which made me chuckle, as i had recentley at the time, discussed with a work colleague of their 16 year old going clubbing in London, and getting home at 3am.

She is away in college now, still rings me to say she has arrived home safely, even though she is not living at home. She is very safety aware, and considers the result of her actions, before she act's

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We monitor all their internet activities - and am aware the three eldest view this and other sites.


As i do and the mobile phone.

This only happened just before xmas, i found some messages on my 12 year olds mobile, a lad making sexual suggestions to my daughter. Called the police, it turned out to be a 16 year old lad, in sixth form at her school. Fortunatley nipped it in the bud, and he has been dealt with. The risks are real, and it can happen at any time, anywhere and to your children :!:

Now, if we did let my daughter make her own way to school, this situaction could of already gone too far before i spotted it.

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Struck a nerve, eh! :lol:


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The subject was the risk to children from paedophiles, and I actually think
Peyote is perfectly correct. Over the last generation our perception of the risk to our children has increased out of all proportion to the actual risk of attack from them, which may not actually have increased at all.

These sorts of people have always been around, just like we've always had thieves and murderers etc. The difference is that nowadays society believes that any risk is too much risk.

That said, I'm fiercely over-protective of my children too, despite my rational mind telling me I shouldn't worry so much...


Have to totally agree. There were a couple of paedophiles in my home town. One with that sort of tendency was a teacher. Difference is that then people did not move around so much and these guys were ' known'. We kids were aware of them and always avoided risking a compromising encounter. The very few slight transgressions were dealt with by a 'good talking to' , if necessary of the kind that resulted in a black eye. Everyone, including the police, accepted this as a normal way to dealing with deviants. It was only mentioned when necessary - it was not the substance of news and TV. No-one hyped it Is today's approach really better ?


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The subject was the risk to children from paedophiles, and I actually think
Peyote is perfectly correct. Over the last generation our perception of the risk to our children has increased out of all proportion to the actual risk of attack from them, which may not actually have increased at all.

These sorts of people have always been around, just like we've always had thieves and murderers etc. The difference is that nowadays society believes that any risk is too much risk.

That said, I'm fiercely over-protective of my children too, despite my rational mind telling me I shouldn't worry so much...


Have to totally agree. There were a couple of paedophiles in my home town. One with that sort of tendency was a teacher. Difference is that then people did not move around so much and these guys were ' known'. We kids were aware of them and always avoided risking a compromising encounter. The very few slight transgressions were dealt with by a 'good talking to' , if necessary of the kind that resulted in a black eye. Everyone, including the police, accepted this as a normal way to dealing with deviants. It was only mentioned when necessary - it was not the substance of news and TV. No-one hyped it Is today's approach really better ?


Trouble is - we have more media opportunities to feed their appetites and even the most innocent photo on the net can be manipulated in some way to satisfy some peculiar urge on he part of these individuals.

However, I think preventing parents from photographing and filming their own children in a school play is way too extreme a measure - and only serves to reinforce fear and suspicion where none exists.

It does not do much for child development either - as children do need to grow up with a certain awareness of danger and survival instincts.

It is a case of assessing the risks and reacting with reasonable care and balance. My own tell me where they are - and like the Mad Lad - monitor mobile phones and the computers for my younger ones. My elder son is away at Uni and my elder daughter is on a backpack adventure. She calls home every other day to let us know how she is. 8-)

Of my younger children - one cycles to school and other insists on the bus! :roll:

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