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Just the kind of thing I was thinking of, thanks Nigel. That something like this seemed obvious just from looking at a pro-agw site for a few minutes is exactly why I doubt the need for drastic action.

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That is a very interesting piece of research, especially since it is a genuine analysis of real data rather than a model. But until the Professor makes his "raw data" public we must have serious reservations about his veracity.

And even if we wholeheartedly accept the.results they hardly sound the death knell for AWG. It doesn't claim that atmospheric CO2 is not rising. merely that the currently accepted figure for the rate of increase is unduly pessimistic.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Either you didn’t understand the point I made, or you are wantonly exaggerating in order to misrepresent.

Unlike the failed IPCC consensus, no one has yet given reason to dispute or reject this new work; so while it is quite right not to simply accept this prof's work at face value, it's a bit much to "have serious reservations about his veracity.". Once a reason have been given to dispute or reject has been demonstrated, and the prof doesn't release all the relevant data for scrutiny (and there's no reason why he shouldn't), then your claim can be applied.


This is true, but this is another confounding factor that must be, at the very least, considered.

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I don't agree that it "confounds" the theory on AWG. It merely refines the parameters. One would expect the AWG modellers to incorporate these new facts into their models, or to give a convincing reason why they do not. If that does not happen i will move a lot closer to your opinion

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I assume it wasn't me who said that
I hope you understand the dangers of being mischievous on forums (when that context isn’t obvious).


I think it is confounding: It is a new variable/parameter, the direction of which contradicts the current conclusion; this goes beyond refinement. The SCP equivalent are the factors of RTTM and 'bias on selection'.
Before you say it: yes this probably is a distinction without a difference


Which is reasonable. The hard part is gaining the confidence that this factor has been incorporated (if not disputed). There's only one way to do that.....

What about applying that thought process to the IPCC conclusions given that it is already disputed, especially by its own contributors?

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Which current conclusion are you referring to? The current orthodoxy that the sea's ability to absorb CO2 is diminishing.? That certainly is confounded. But the conclusion that the level of man made atmospheric CO2 is rising is not contradicted. The paper is quite explicit about that, as I quoted in an earlier post.



Perhaps I will

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

No-one (that I know of) is disputing, or has reason to dispute, that the level of man made atmospheric CO2 is rising.

I was referring to the big one: the level of correlation (or significance) between man's 'CO2 footprint' and global warming (specifically the parameters used within the climate models which in turn gave the IPCC conclusion). Now it must be determined if that level has been overstated.


If you agree that people should [call for that allowance of open scrutiny of the methods of data processing and modelling, where they are disputed], then we might have accomplished something sodding rare in forums: amicable closure!
My fingers are crossed...

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The Hadley computer was hacked and 65mb of files downloaded. If the files available on the internet are real, and already a Hadley center employee has stated that they appear to be, then the smoking gun has been found.

The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight ..."It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."…

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr ... cked#63657
http://algorelied.com/?p=3177
http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/hacke ... e+frame%29
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/?p=1538

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nigel_bytes

http://dailybayonet.com/?p=2109

Wasn't the climate research unit the one where they said they had lost all their gw data ?
Maybe the hacker/s found it for them....

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I emailed channel 4 about this and got a response but they didn't say if or when they would run the story.
Just had a look at the grants that have been given , Wonder how many tax fiddles they have for those too
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... WWUE&hl=en

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Now on religon - few ( more than that ) some folks were sent to the lions because they didn't believe the current religon and worshiped another god . Seems to me that the AGW lot are trying to do that in virtual terms to anyone that don't/discredits their beliefs(religion).

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Have a look at this powerpoint, and think while you're looking at it:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1zniwlvqwgj
Somewhere around page 13 it gets to be a bit much for those of weak belief (or bladder) (lots doesn't work because the link to the server cannot be accessed)
But they're going to do 25km "forecasts"........

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

An advert which is Plane Stupid

Warning: not to be viewed if you don't like seeing: polar bears smashing into the ground, or idiotic propaganda.

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Two more as stupid as that and I could become a climate change sceptic

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I see the proponents of AGW have found a new term to describe their opponents - "willfully ignorant".

I prefer "intelligently sceptical" myself.

I know that us "willfully ignorant" ones will win out in the end as this big scare deflates and we move onto some new global peril cleverly devised to make us all run to our Governments pleading for them to save us.

On the subject of religion, are there a lot of AGW adherents who are also believers in God? If so, don't they think He will save the earth? If you were God, would you let your creation be destroyed just to prove you are vengeful and all-powerful? Perhaps I just don't get the concept of God as a protective father figure.

Or is it all rubbish?

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Well GW would hardly destroy the earth, just make it very uncomfortable for us and many other species for a while.

I suppose it does depend on how important one thinks humans are and belief in an anthropomorphic god that created the Earth for us.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

The only use for pretending there is a god is to justify cruel or indecent acts and to control people. All religions are disgusting, and don’t even get me started on circumcision. Happy to be a cavalier thank you.

Maybe if I get done for speeding I can claim god told me to do it?

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

How long does a religion have to be established and how many members must it have, before its believes have to engender respect under law? Perhaps we could found a "Church of the Safely Speeding Motorist"

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

That’s a very interesting question. When an old friend of mine declared he was a Christian the once, I said “oh, so you subscribe to one of those new religions then”. When asked what I meant I replied “well in terms of age, Christianity is trumped by Hinduism and Judaism by a thousand years or more to name just two”.

Of course, as always, that opened the door to a thousand justifications and explanations and blah blah blah…

Personally, I think it’s about men wearing frocks and silly hats. Ah, memories of the late great Dave Allen…

Reverend Tony

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Came across an article in the BBC today about climate cash for poorer countries.
Climate cash for poor countries 'has not materialised'

I couldn't help but notice their choice of photo for the article...

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