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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 14:09 
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Can we consider thread this now "put to bed "? :)

Almost :wink: . I see the IPCC (the police one, not the climate one :) ) has been out among the public today asking for eyewitnesses. Doesn't look like they're trying to sweep it under the carpet, and if you think back to the Steven Waldorf and James Ashley incidents there were investigations for both. Trials too, though not guilty verdicts in both cases, (which was a bit surprising given that Ashley didn't even have his clothes on when he was shot dead by police, and you have to wonder how they thought that a naked man was a danger to them - presumably the jury got to hear more than the rest of us).

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At major trials, everyone is presumed innocent.... But someone has to do the 'accusing' someone has to do the 'prosecuting' and there has to be a trial of some description to test the evidence of what went on.

That's true, but the presumption that there must be a trial is, IMO, presuming evidence of a crime that has yet to be found and may not actually exist. To put it another way, it's wrong and also pointless to demand a trial unless the evidence points towards a crime, and at the moment we don't know if it will or not.

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Gatsobait wrote:
PaulF wrote:
At major trials, everyone is presumed innocent.... But someone has to do the 'accusing' someone has to do the 'prosecuting' and there has to be a trial of some description to test the evidence of what went on.

That's true, but the presumption that there must be a trial is, IMO, presuming evidence of a crime that has yet to be found and may not actually exist. To put it another way, it's wrong and also pointless to demand a trial unless the evidence points towards a crime, and at the moment we don't know if it will or not.


Gatsobait, this is fair comment: My initial outbursts were based upon the apparentness that they were suggesting we should just 'take their word' for what went on without question, and everything will be okay. It did indeed look as though the police's explanation was going to be accepted as gospel...

We certainly have to have a full public enquiry and if something still smells once the rubble has been turned over then we MUST have a trial.


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Fair 'nuff. :)

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How much money did the Government save by fleecing Railtrack investors?
I havent seen much new about Stephen Byers fate because of the bombings - it must have been a great day to bury unwelcome news :x
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