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 Post subject: Re: Card fraud :-(
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:12 
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Ah thanks Homer, I usually look at Snopes but I wasn’t thinking straight at the time. :( :x

The bottom line is she did the right thing for her. If I was her I would have gone ape in the shopping centre, or before, but then I’m the sort to throw tables in the air and break a chair over the sh1thead. She, as you know Claire, is about 7 stone wringing wet and for all she knew he could have had a knife. These people do not think rationally so the fact that she ended up in a public place where some people were around wouldn’t necessarily make any difference to a psychopathic jailbird.

There’s always the wonderful world of hindsight but what price to you put on your health or life for the sake of £10. I’m personally too principled to let something like that go even if it cost my life or a long jail sentence but I would hope any judge would look favourably upon me, given my job and a life free of any violence or previous convictions. It's hard to know how you would react or what you would do until it happens to you, but I think the anger and adrenalin would make me do something very serious.

Let’s not also forget that people often do not want to get involved, so there is no guarantee that others would intervene. I remember a very disturbing program, last year I think it was, where a girl was violently abused by a gang of other girls on a bus. Everyone was frozen, literally paralysed, not daring to do a single thing to help or get involved as the poor girl got beaten and things stolen. She was so traumatised and disgusted by the way no-one helped I remember she couldn't face living in this country anymore and emigrated to start a new life.

Maria feels she got off lightly, and I’m sure she is correct. Had it been dark or a different place she may have been raped. I don’t want to bring it up with her, making her re-live it again, but I am in no doubt that incident is a drop in the ocean to what’s going on ‘out there’ especially under this government’s new austere order...

What a society we live in. It makes me sick to the stomach. :x

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 Post subject: Re: Card fraud :-(
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 20:54 
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Perhaps installing an emergency button facility at a cash point is a very good idea !


Pointless.

It will just have every scrote pressing it for shits and giggles. And would you risk pressing a panic button if someone had a knife to your ribs?

As for the cameras, those mounted inside the ATM record every time a transaction is made and the recording is kept for a reasonable length of time. No point in having the camera if you discard the images before anyone has had chance to report a fraudulent transaction. ;)


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Last I knew all 999 calls (bar a v few exceptions) are only kept for 24 hrs ....
it might be that some will only really consider reporting an incident after this period when they feel less scared.
I was thinking not of a 'direct' 'HELP' button but one that you can touch after pressing in your 4 digits like the star button or hash or star, hash star or some such ....
I agree that it has problems but that would stop all and sundry just pressing it as they pass-by for a laugh.
There are many children who call 999 as if it is a back up parent line and I am sure given the chance they'd use it too, but after - or prior - to your code being entered, may make (some) sense.

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Going to add - I do understand and I totally agree that we have the luxury of hindsight.
I often finish a meeting and can often think why didn't I say this or that - or more recently with the media... and I think I am prepared most of the time ! :)

It does strike me thought that many people live such 'normal' lives as it were that they find it odd even if you seem to now show any kind of annoyance on even the simplest level, which I find strange. Is society so 'tame' that showing anything other than a calm 'normal' exterior that any kind of 'raised' voice is so strange?
We see Police on programs treat the public with IMHO amazing violence yet we are not meant to complain, but they don't seem to consider at all how some chap is meant to feel when 'landed on' by about 2-6 coppers!

There seems so much less tolerance or understanding in society these days, a bit like we all have to confirm or you are considered odd, yet human nature is so very expressive and so very variable.

Perhaps we are all too cocooned and ought to be made more aware of what goes on 'out there' far, far more? Is this a news failure ... we are considered not interested in it or that for the greater good we should/must think that things are 'better' than they really are?

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Tone you did everything right, there is nothing wrong or stupid about dropping a wallet and then somebody else defrauding you, it's those t**ts entirely at fault, the decent person would either take it to the shop, the police station, your bank or any number of things.

As you say, Verified by Visa and the Mastercard version are also flawed massively in many ways, no least in that the DOB is on your driving licence so it only really protects where somebody has the raw card number/expiry/signature code.

I lived in Sydney in 2008/9 and my bag was stolen out of a locker (PIN surfer - I hid the number but the machine asks you to enter it TWICE and stupidly I didn't cover it the second time), anyway, I lost my passport (£130), keys ($150 locksmith), phone (£100), plus numerous other personal items. I had an Aus debit and two UK credit cards in there, I cancelled the debit card and SIM immediately but couldn't do the UK cards for a few hours, in the meantime they had run up $500 of transactions, they were reversed and the shops lost out. One was $300 at a hairdressers, I doubt it was a cut and the shopkeeper ran the transaction through for the thief in the hope it wouldn't be charged back. If it was genuine they were stupid for accepting a UK credit card in a man's name for what I assume was an expensive cut/colour!


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...stuff...

Three years without a post, and he takes up like he's never been away, and the only clue as to what he's been doing, is hidden in the post! :)

:hello: :welcome: back!

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 Post subject: Re: Card fraud :-(
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Tone you did everything right, there is nothing wrong or stupid about dropping a wallet and then somebody else defrauding you, it's those t**ts entirely at fault, the decent person would either take it to the shop, the police station, your bank or any number of things.
That's right and thanks mate :) Good to see you back, I'm going to go with.. Gary or Graham :D . I think you left shortly after I joined. Just coincidence I hope :D

Like I say, I think I got off lightly when I hear your and other stories. Apart from the vexation and stress, I am still more concerned that my licence is out there somewhere in the hands of a rogue.

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 Post subject: Re: Card fraud :-(
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Bit late but :welcome: back g_attrill :)

Sounds like you have been having 'fun & games' abroad ... Are you back in the UK now or still abroad?

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