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Nazi party :- Socialist:- killed:- 11,283,000 people

Khmer Rouge :- Communist killed:- 2,000,000 people

Mao Tse-tung :- Communist Killed:- 70,000,000 people

Stalin :- Socialist:- Killed:- 18,000,000 people

Tony Blair :- Socialist:- killed:- 44,451 people*

George Bush :- Conservative Right killed:- 44,451 people*

BNP :-"Extreme" Right Wing:- killed 0 people

* joint effort



Oh come off it Prof, you're an intelligent man, that's exactly what New Labour has been doing for against the Conservative and BNP "threat" for years. The threat of course is to the Labour party and their Socialist values.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are many dysfunctional elements within the BNP, as there are in any other mainstream party. I prefer however to use my head and look at what's right for me not what some prick in the Guardian tells me is right for me.

I became interested in the BNP because so many Politicians were lining up urging people not to vote for them. I had heard all the crap about them and therefore was weary, but i was intrigued in what had all these high roller Politicians so rattled. Fortunately I've seen through the BS and am quite happy to give them my vote for my own reasons.

The fact that my vote would be for BNP would indeed mean that we are on opposite sides of the fence. If however you don't "like" me because of who I vote for. Would you not agree that that's discrimination in it's own right?

i wouldn't hate you for believing in something that has all but killed 102 million people.

Excuse me, but that's a daft argument.

- We don't know that the BNP won't rise to a point where deaths result. In fact we can't know that ANY political group won't rise to the point where deaths result.

- We can only count the final score when the movement is consigned to the history books.

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Paul Smith
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Exactly, so to associate the BNP with the Nazi party is therefore plain wrong. Thanks for endorsing my point.

Some would say theat "Uncle Joes" Tally is nearer to that of "Mr Maos"

What is more! In Iraq during the early 90's over half a million children died as a consequence of the US/UK lead siege (AKA *sanctions* to tone down what it really means)

Astonishingly! Madeleine Albright, as US Secretary of State, on the 60 Minutes TV programme, 12 May, 1996 said "I think that this is a very hard choice, but the price - we think the price is worth it!"

(She was responding to the finding of a United Nations FAO report that 567000 Iraqi children under the age of five had died as a result of sanctions)

And still they die!

<FX:Lost for words!>

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Operation Iraqi Liberation.

<fx: DEEPLY ashamed of my country>

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

<fx: Deeply ashamed of those who lied and cheated to take us into that war>

This response is an obscenity - you have completely avoided the charge of rascism which what I was objecting too. To call the Nazis socialist is also an obscenity against anyone of left-wing beliefs (Hilter put vast numbers of socialist and communists in concentration camps). The founders of the BNP have longstanding links with what I would term fascist/nazi groups - I've been involved in all of this since the early seventies and as I said I can smell a turd when I come across it.

I'd add that my own beliefs do not support any of the stalinist/maoist state capitalist regimes you mention. (And I'd agree with denoucing loonies like Pol Pot)

I don't know you, you may well be a nice chap on a personal level but your political beliefs disgust me - sorry.

I deference to something we DO have in common (I hope) - support for the aims of Safe Speed - I'm going to leave this here and won't pass further comment.

But why should this be done to the exclusion and cost of others?

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Equally, if you support the Tories, you condone sleaze
Support Labour, you condone sleaze and backhanders and extremely high taxes

Forgive my ignorance, (and I have no personal experience of the BNP), but why is a party labelled racist when it's manifesto states that it will look after the indigenous population?

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Hmmn, well the NAZI’s were certainly Socialist, just with a nationalist flavour (As opposed to internationalist, which is rather more common for socialists)

In the historical context of the 1930's the NAZI's, whist being a socialist organisation, nevertheless regarded Communists and Trade Unionists not as "Socialists" as such but rather as a Soviet "Fifth column" whose purpose was to foment a communist revolution! This puts their ill treatment in a slightly different context.

Interestingly this is not *so* different to how Thatcher felt about them (Remember GCHQ?) With Scargill a self proclaimed Stalinist (*) there may well have been more than a little justification in this view!

As for charges of “Racism” I suppose one should consider this. If current trends continue London will become majority Non-white by 2010 and the country as a whole majority non-white and Islamic (Lets be honest about the terminology here!) by about 2060!

As someone who finds the idea that my grandchildren will be living as an ethnic and cultural minority in the land of their ancestors profoundly disturbing and that I would wish to see this trend stopped and ideally reversed then I suppose, by the Proffs definition, I am guilty as charged!

However on a scale of “Racism” from one to ten I wonder how I would compare with somebody who opposes my viewpoint and who is therefore condoning ethnic and cultural genocide by stealth?


(*Remember, the Guy who murdered opponents on a scale that made the NAZI efforts look like a warm up jog round the pitch prior to the match! Funny double standard here isn’t there! Give the slightest hint of being sympathetic to the NAZI’s and the entire weight of media and liberal-socialist outrage will come down on your head! Call yourself a Stalinist and it is not only considered acceptable but even rather admirable! I wonder why this should be?? )

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

That's your opinion, I don't hate people because of the colour of their skin, their religion, their sexuality; I do wish to preserve my national identity so go ahead and call me a racist if that's what you wish to believe.



Hitler put anybody who disagreed with him in concentration camps. Sorry, but they (the Nazis) were Socialists



That's a lame argument "Prof"; people and their beliefs can change over time. If I were to see for myself what I would call extreme activities, then I would certainly be out like a shot; I haven't so i'm not. What one person would call extreme, another may call soft and vice versa. I certainly won't base my political decisions on what someone writes in a newspaper or worse, on the word or advice of a Socialist.



And I don't subscribe to the charge of being a racist because of the party that I choose to support either. That said, I would rather be called all the names under the sun, than vote for a mainstream party because that's what everyone else is going to do, or my vote isn't going to change anything anyway, or that the leader of one party was a "good egg". I want change and I want to associate myself with a party that can undertake that change.



You will more than likely never know me, yet you judge me based upon my political beliefs. Interestingly, doesn't a racialist judge a person because of the colour of their skin or by virtue that a person derives from a particular country or group of people.




My support for Safespeed is based upon the principle that Safespeed has been able to convince me that it has the right approach and policies to road safety. I have suitably changed some of my driving practises as a result of this advice and for the better. Safespeed has been aided by some suitably passionate and dedicated people of all backgrounds, who i'm sure ahve like me gained more than we've ever put in.