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Here is my abbreviated summary of the Budget by G. Brown.

You will all pay more tax so my Government can waste it on daft schemes to make me popular so I have an outside chance of winning the next election.

P.S. As a start I've already postponed the Council Tax revisions in England until after the next election (this is a sure fire vote loser).

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Malcolm W.
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Excellent, Malcolm

I doubt whether there are many here who will disagree with the view that the attack on Band G cars was just a disgusting piece of spite that has everything to do with old-fashioned left-wing envy and nothing to do with the environment.

And pity the poor sod who's saved up for a Scooby that he's taking delivery of on Saturday and finds himself clobbered with an extra £100 road tax, rising to £200 next year.

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The real damage will be to resale prices (i.e. in increased depreciation).

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Paul Smith
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However, the pre-2006 ones will still be Band F and therefore command a price premium. I suspect it will lead to a lot of deferred replacement decisions amongst private owners with cars above 225 g/km.

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Indeed!

My Work vehicle 1984 VW Transporter 1.6D (No bothersome electronics!)

Fun and pleasure Range Rover classic (Pre-cat. Runs on Gas, EFI is shagged but I can always fit a carb )

Will I ever buy a new car?

Not on your life!

I would rather spend my dosh on refurbishing what I already have and avoid the hassle of more modern vehicles

(Oh BTW! I am a VM so I know what I am talking about!)

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My sister had her landy nicked two weeks ago from birmingham airport.
not only does she have no car seats, roof rack, tow hitch, roof rack, step, have to find an extra 5k on top of the gap insurance.
It comes with two less seats and the road tax increases to £400.

yep a deisel landy 2.4tdi falls into the top rate.

We haven't encoraged people to home-work.
I don't think reducing tax on band A&B cars will help any family with only one car. these cars are tiny
no investment in public transport as train prices rise at 20% off peak
no investment in roads, carry on with cheap air fairs yet hammer the motorist

capital gains tax is a move in the right direction,

drink and smoke ... not enough, should be £2 tax per measure after 11.30 to pay for policing and property damage.

I fail to see stamp duty rates move. Who is realy going to benifit from carbon zero new home? by the time they develop the product under £500k the tax window will be closed.
As for green budget ... no... a couple of crap measures and continuing the exsisting warm front grants. I don't believe in the global warming thingy but we should conserve our resourses.

It is a budget that disadvantages people on a single wage of under £20k and helps people of joint incomes totaling £44k. It continues to stuff those trying to move up the property ladder. does nothing for new homes. council tax, a crumb of extra savers allowance in an isa.

Pensioners get a wee bit of tax relief (i think)
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Does anyone know what he's done to road tax for older vehicles above 1500 cc? (i.e. the ones built long before CO2 emissions figures were ever invented)?

I think it goes up to £180 a year (£115 for vehicles below 1500 cc).

Best to stick with the elderly, polluting gas-guzzler, then

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New VED tax rates here.
Apparently my car is £35 per year now, which is not so bad. Less for them to waste.
I really want to get a Smart Diesel just because it's free tax.

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Andrew.

Which ever way you view it, it's a tax on "ownership" NOT on USE!.........

And that's wrong.............there are a million plus "Micras" out there that spew out far more carbon/year than my V8. Why?.............because of the mileage. And what about the owner of a number of cars.......he can only drive "one" at any one time ....why should he pay £400 each to save the planet? (If you believe in that sort of thing anyway).......

Grrrrrrrr.............

What a complete palaver!

It's just a bloody job creation scheme.

50,000 miles in a Smart Diesel will burn far more fuel, wear out far more roads and produce far more CO2 than 1,000 miles in a weekend Ferrari. So why should the Ferrari owner pay more? The logic is completely knackered.

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Paul Smith
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It really is quite crazy.
Even a Smart petrol is the next band up. Because they're soooo different?

Surely if the purpose of VED is (was) to pay for upkeep of the roads then bands should be based on... weight? Vibration caused?
In fact, the higher emissions the quicker the vehicle looses weight so all else being equal the less wear it will put on the roads?

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Andrew.

If you get a van and put seats in it, it is still a light goods vehicle (£175 tax)?

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Andrew.

What constitutes a "trade" licence?

Does this mean that if I transfer my car to my limited company I'll get my tax for £165, instead of paying £205 for my superbly economical diesel estate car?

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Well I think Gordon's LOVELY and I won't have a word said against him! He's done the best thing for the environment to only put the tax up a fiver on my old pre-cat 3 litre gas guzzler because otherwise (as it's only worth about £250) it would have had to go into landfill!

Seriously though, I agree with everyone else who has mentioned that it takes no account of the link between mileage and car type. The above-mentioned 3 litre gas guzzler (which actually is isn't at all bad - 32MPG on a run, easy) is on a less-than-5000-miles-a-year "classic" (oh I love the irony!) insurance policy whereas my nice, new efficient Euro IV diesel daily drive does about 25,000.

Still, they're the government so I expect they know what they're doing!

My alfa is only a 1.6 and it is a band F car
I wish I had got a bigger enigne now.

Arn't most family cars in band G anyway? people carries and that sort of thing?

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Unfortunately none are appropriate for this forum.

There are a shocking number of cars in band G - cars that you wouldn't necessarily even think of as 'gas guzzlers'...

see for yourselves... http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/vedSearch.asp

Click on the VED band and fuel type and then select 'all' from the pull-down. There are 17 pages of diesels and 70 (yes 70!) pages of petrols...

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I am assuming that pre-73 cars are still tax-free.
There are some nice 'daily drivers' within the pre-73 category.
How about a nicely restored 911, or an early Jag XJ6 4.2 for business, or a Capri 3 litre (with suspension mods), or a Cortina 1600E, a Rover P6B, a Mini Clubman 1275, Triumph 2500TC, etc, etc.
Oh, I know they all require more attention, but one can do all the work at home, so no big service bills. They keep up with modern traffic easily and you can have the old black and white plates which some of the cameras struggle to read (or so I'm told). Insurance is low too and depreciation virtually nil.

Band G appears to apply to cars that return... wait for it...

...below 30mpg.

See: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... 9071#99071

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Paul Smith
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