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Hackers can take over car navigation system
By Jasper Copping, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 11:33pm BST 05/05/2007

Motorists who use satellite navigation systems are being warned that hackers can "break in" and send bogus directions.

Using instructions available on the internet and equipment costing less than £100 available from electronic shops, pranksters, or even terrorists, could cause major disruption on the roads.

The hackers can send bogus information over the FM airwaves via transmitters and antennae, replicating messages regularly sent to satellite navigation systems by traffic monitoring companies such as Trafficmaster to warn of congestion or road closures.

When the navigator detects the message, whether it is bogus or genuine, it will provide a different route.

Depending on the gadget's setting, it may even do so without notifying the driver.

Andreas Barisani, of the UK-based firm Inverse Path, which demonstrated the scam at a conference in Canada, said: "It is actually very simple. You can close roads, you can create queues and you can redirect people.

"You can direct traffic all on to one route and create a clear route for yourself. There are all sorts of uses for this.

"The current system of sending this information uses very old technology. We need to move to a new system that encyrpts the message."

Sheila Rainger, the head of campaigns for the RAC Foundation, said: "It would be a shame if this succeeded in undermining people's confidence in the ability of sat navs to alert people to traffic congestion, because that is one of their great strengths.

"It is good for the driver, good for congestion and good for the environment, because you are not stuck in a jam.

"But sat navs should be a helping hand, not a replacement brain. People shouldn't hand over all sense of direction to them. You can always get in touch with operators if you are getting very strange directions from your sat nav."

Phil Hale, from Trafficmaster, admitted: "This is possible but people who do it would be breaking the law."


Just wait till they bring in road pricing :roll:

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"But sat navs should be a helping hand, not a replacement brain. People shouldn't hand over all sense of direction to them.


People never do that of course. :roll:

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pranksters, or even terrorists, could cause major disruption on the roads.


If a terrorist wished to cause disturbance, wouldn't they just blow up a road.

Unless they sent people to a road they wish to blow up.

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pranksters, or even terrorists, could cause major disruption on the roads.


If a terrorist wished to cause disturbance, wouldn't they just blow up a road.

Unless they sent people to a road they wish to blow up.

Subtle disruptions such as this - alongiwth things like M4 protest drives - are almost as effective as atrocious disruptions such as bombing. Depending on the value placed on a life or maiming, the ratio of disruption to casualty is far greater with something like this too.


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A new take on the Italian Job - instead of hacking the traffic control, hack the SatNav instead!
Of course around Cumbria you dont need to do that, just let the planners of Kendal's one way system do it for you, with a little help from United Utilities! :D

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The NIMBYs who don't want people driving down "their" roads would love to be able to use such equipment. Just as well that most of them are fuddy-duddies who couldn't even work out how to use a microwave. At least I hope that's the case.


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doesnt affect me. i now have a mobile with satnav but i wont use it. im a map reader which is failsafe. i havent read anything about these people hacking into a mapbook yet :lol:

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I am assuming that this is actually about trafficmaster and nothing to do with Satnav. Not quite the same thing but, hell, it sells papers.

I fail to see how some spotty teenage geek with £100 worth of equipment can actually tap into and disrupt a military satellite system


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if its tracked by GPS then its the american military looking after it so it must be basic for them to operate :lol: :lol: :lol:

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My satnav is set to flash a warning and I decide if I'll accept the new route.

Always work on the basis that I am in charge not the machine.

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patdavies wrote:
I am assuming that this is actually about trafficmaster and nothing to do with Satnav. Not quite the same thing but, hell, it sells papers.

I fail to see how some spotty teenage geek with £100 worth of equipment can actually tap into and disrupt a military satellite system


The traffic data is usually delivered via the RDS channel of an FM station. In theory if someone set up a suitable transmitter the sat nav would decode the data and use it. I don't think it would be anywhere near as easy as the article implies though.

Edited to add this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Message_Channel


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patdavies wrote:
I am assuming that this is actually about trafficmaster and nothing to do with Satnav. Not quite the same thing but, hell, it sells papers.

I fail to see how some spotty teenage geek with £100 worth of equipment can actually tap into and disrupt a military satellite system


The traffic data is usually delivered via the RDS channel of an FM station. In theory if someone set up a suitable transmitter the sat nav would decode the data and use it. I don't think it would be anywhere near as easy as the article implies though.

Edited to add this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Message_Channel


as i understand it was done a few years ago by pirate radio stations, who were broadcasting on the RDS and blotting out commercial radio stations :hehe:


edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/592972.stm

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Gives a new excuse to those that followed their sat nav will nilly - like the ones turning right on a level crossing etc :roll:

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The NIMBYs who don't want people driving down "their" roads would love to be able to use such equipment. Just as well that most of them are fuddy-duddies who couldn't even work out how to use a microwave. At least I hope that's the case.


:twisted:

Next time I drive up to Cambridge... M4, M25, M11 on a Friday evening - wonder if anyone will notice if they are suspicuously clear..


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semitone wrote:
The traffic data is usually delivered via the RDS channel of an FM station. In theory if someone set up a suitable transmitter the sat nav would decode the data and use it. I don't think it would be anywhere near as easy as the article implies though.

Edited to add this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Message_Channel


So, as I said, they are not interfering with Satnav at all, only traffic data for traffic master - that I will admit does feed some Satnavs in providing alternative routes.

However, pure Satnav is unaffected


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Gives a new excuse to those that followed their sat nav will nilly - like the ones turning right on a level crossing etc :roll:


do they need another excuse? i thought having a pair of tits covered all driving related stupidity :lol:

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Andreas Barisani, of the UK-based firm Inverse Path, which demonstrated the scam at a conference in Canada, said: "It is actually very simple. You can close roads, you can create queues and you can redirect people.

"You can direct traffic all on to one route and create a clear route for yourself. There are all sorts of uses for this.

"The current system of sending this information uses very old technology. We need to move to a new system that encrypts the message."


I'll give you all one guess what line of business Inverse Path are in....


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"You can direct traffic all on to one route and create a clear route for yourself.



So that's how it's done

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patdavies wrote:
So, as I said, they are not interfering with Satnav at all, only traffic data for traffic master - that I will admit does feed some Satnavs in providing alternative routes.


TrafficMaster doesn't use RDS-TMC, it uses a paging network (Vodafone I think), there is a universal pager number for all TrafficMaster units, and then some units have a unique number for individual messages.

edit: That said, I expect you could create spoof TrafficMaster messages, they aren't encrypted either and you would just need to provide a stronger signal than the existing one. It wouldn't be as easy though, there probably isn't any easy to get off-the-shelf equipment.


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TrafficMaster doesn't use RDS-TMC, it uses a paging network (Vodafone I think), there is a universal pager number for all TrafficMaster units, and then some units have a unique number for individual messages.


The off-board navigation system uses the GSM network, the units have a sim card. You call a number and request directions via the post code of the destination. They then send it to the on-board unit as a data stream. You pay for the service as you use it.

http://www.smartnav.com/satellite-navigation/how-smartnav-works.asp

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