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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 08:42 
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The US based Transport Communications Newsletter reports that the EU will finance the troubled Galileo satellite navigation system from public cash. The consortium set up to finance the system has failed to agree terms. Galileo aims to offer greater accuracy than the US GPS, has cost €1.2bn so and involves a 30 strong satellite network of which only one has been launched so far.



Looks like we were right about road pricing being used to fund Galileo!

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How the hell do I vote against this madness?

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How the hell do I vote against this madness?


I wish I knew.

Whilst I hate conflict, unless things change I wouldn't be surprised to see the public waken up eventually, and apply some civil disobedience against governments for this sort of thing.

We're being charged more and more by these pillocks while they make themselves a bigger pain in the arse than ever. There must be a limit somewhere, and one of these days it will have to stop.

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From what i've read i have doubts it'll ever get off the ground, metaphorically speaking. no-one can really agree what everyone wants but everyone wants to be involved in the building & running of it.

best bit i've noticed is the US/EU agreement to be able to partially disable each others systems for warfare reasons... wonder how long before some rapscallian figures out how to do it on his bedroom PC :lol:

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The trouble is there doesn't seem to be any such thing as a loss-leader anymore. The EU having its own GPS system makes sense in terms of defense and preventing us becoming an annex of the US (if that sort of thing worries you, of course....) The US funded it out of defence spending and didn't expect to make a profit from it. Instead they were grateful for the benefits of the system and what it would save the country (from?!) in the future.

The thing is we have too many people inside and outside government trying to make a killing from each and every project, whether it is scampartnerships (SERCO, RedSpeed etc.), super casinos (Prescott) or whatever.

Public funding actually makes sense, but maybe Britain's share would be better coming from stopping burning money on the Olympics....


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How the hell do I vote against this madness?


Vote against? You must be joking. This is an EU Commission decision you can't vote them out. So, this is the benefit of democracy.

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How the hell do I vote against this madness?


Vote against? You must be joking. This is an EU Commission decision you can't vote them out. So, this is the benefit of democracy.


That was my point...

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Since the galileo system is central to road pricing/charging, it was obvious it is going to be launched and operated. The first sat is just to prove the system....and to "hog" the frequency/ies !

As discussed many times before, your idea of democracy and their idea differ greatly. You elect the leaders, who do not lead, while the real leaders are unelected, never seen, and they couldn't give a monkeys about you anyway !
Things that will happen:
Galileo will be launched in its entirety.
Road pricing/charging will also be launched.
Fuel prices will continue to rise at a much faster rate than inflation.
Road tax will never go, just be "expanded" so that some pay more and others less....the total will remain the same.
The insurers will change to a pay-per-mile charger rate, based on gps-based systems.
Driving licences will expire at age 65.
Retirement age will go to 75 by 2020.
The road tax will be charged on electric cars, because of the CO2 from generating stations !


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Don't expect it to be running anytime soon.

Here is the EU at its finest..... :lol:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article1795867.ece?openComment=true

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Galileo is already four years behind schedule, the cost of the project has ballooned and member states are jostling for influence. A phalanx of contractors, including the Franco-German EADS, Thales and Alcatel, of France, Inmarsat, of Britain, Finmeccanica, of Italy, Hispasat, of Spain, and Deutsche Telekom was due to come up with a new cost proposal last week but failed to do so.



hold on....road pricing to the rescue!

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Without consumer demand, the only justification (other than military hubris) to spend an additional €2.5 billion to put Galileo in orbit is government need. Within the Commission’s transport directorate (which sponsors Galileo), ideas are brewing about road pricing. A common system of charging road users that would follow cars across borders from Helsinki to Lisbon would require a highly sophisticated tracking system. Such technology could also be used to track lorries and freight. An EU road pricing agency might, therefore, award a contract to Galileo big enough to support the satellite project and justify its commercial existence.





Cancel Galleo and you cancel satellite backed road pricing....forever! :D

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2.5 billion euros seems very optimistic to me! I would multiply that by 10 for a more realistic figure.


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Gizmo wrote:
Cancel Galleo and you cancel satellite backed road pricing....forever! :D


Wrong.
Sat-backed road pricing is already operating in Germany, and very successfully. No Galileo there !
The one being used is the US system.
The galileo system is also being "backed" by Russia and China.
But cheer-up, the US has already said it would have to take "irreversible" action" against the satellite constellation if they think it is/will be used by a "hostile nation" (ie: shoot them down)


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