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Secret plans to turn staff into police informers

"Council workers, charity staff and doctors will be required to tip off police about anyone whom they believe could commit a violent crime, under secret Home Office plans.

Civil liberties campaigners last night said that the proposal raised the prospect of people being placed under surveillance and detained even though they have committed no offence."

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

So, just the 56 million of us then.

Related to the same mindset, the SFO are empowered to sieze the assets of people they SUSPECT of having obtained them by illegal means. No "beyond reasonable doubt" required. The criminal law is being downgraded to the balance of probabilities used in civil cases.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

So if any of these people don't like the look of you, or you are out spoken?

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

...and doctors will be required to tip off police...


doesn't that breach patient-doctor confidentiality laws?

What about people visiting a shrink? Will they now be compromised in being carefull how much they say, and isn't this rather bad for someone with violent thoughts who's trying to get themselves sorted?

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

It's a worry. As a parent, if you later found out that the person who harmed your child had previously told a shrink that they had unnatural thoughts or feelings towards a child?

But as a patient, that confdentiality MUST exist, otherwise it:
A) undervalues the treatment for the individual
B) is likely to make serious issues unreported

Is the answer a guidelines one? If in the former case, a specific child (or very small group, such as "one of the children in my street") is mentioned, then it's referrable ... but before referring to law enforcement, there is a requirement for the healthcare professional to have a conference with a colleague (I assume a shrink can discuss a case / share case notes with another professional without breaking confidence?)

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Of course if a doctor believes that a patient is likely to harm themselves or someone else then they are obliged to tell someone, thats not the issue here.

I would have thought discussion of cases is permitted and goes on so long as identities are kept quiet. No shrink has "all the answers" due to the subjective nature of the profession.

Thing is, someone having unatural feelings towards a child has, if they are there through their own will, identified they need help and sought it, and must be able to trust the shrink. It's up to the shrink to deduce how much af a threat they pose, whether therapy can contain the threat or if not, prefably the individual must turn themselves in. Of course there remains the option for the shrink to contact police if they feel it's the only option to prevent something from happening, but this must remain the last case scenario as it breaks the confidence that provided the information in the first place and could jeapadise such people from seeking help.

once again, we seek to provide simplistic guidelines where professional experience and case-by-case judgement is the only real option.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

I didn't know that was the case - I knew about sectioning against self harm, but I thought this was a lower case, i.e. not a "clear and present danger" to self or others, but a "serious potential threat"?

Anyway, so Doctors seem to be covered by current procedures, but


Lunacy.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Welcome to Nazi Britain. Where it is OK to report people who "could" do something, even if they haven't actualy done anything.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Criminal intelligence like the "could do" information noted above is, by its very nature, uncorroborated and not evidence. So, what number of reports of potential bad behaviour have to be amassed before they count as "fact" and could lead to being rounded up by the police?

Remember, intelligence information brought you the WMDs in Iraq corroborated by, well, just how many sources?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

errrmm ... from memory ...

was it Toxteth O'Grady, USA (Creative Writing Course, O'Grady High School)?

but corroborated by George Walker Bush, with his very own eyes.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

In any case where there is a risk of violence to others, or to the patient him or herself from selfharm, the correct thing is to detain the patient under one or other of the sections of the Mental Health Act.

Instances where a psychiatrist would inform others (apart from hospital colleagues who need to know in the patients best interest) are very rare indeed.

Any body who is interested in the process may find this helpful

http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/overview.htm

Oh well, that's me headed for the slammer then.

Violent crime isn't my scene of course, but particpating in civil disobedience certainly could be, and it seems to me we have grounds for it on one or two counts.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

My thoughts exactly

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Just today, a worker at Casterton Private School (near Kirkby Lonsdale) was found guilty in court, for falsely accusing a male member of staff of child abuse.
So it's going to be a major headache sorting out genuine complaints from malicious rumour mongering!
As if the police dont have enough to do already!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I thought "youth brigade " as used in Russia etc when i read it . What next - going round housing estates just before an election "persuading " us how to vote .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on