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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:20 
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New laws target dangerous drivers

People using their mobile phones while driving or not wearing seatbelts are among those being targeted by tougher penalties in Northern Ireland.
The new laws have been announced by Environment Minister Arlene Foster.

From 27 June, car drivers using a hand-held mobile will be liable for three penalty points and a maximum fine of £1,000, lorry drivers a £2,500 fine.

Drivers who fail to wear a seatbelt or ensure that child passengers use them will also receive penalty points.

"Almost all road deaths and injuries are preventable and most are caused by the behaviour of road users," Mrs Foster said.

"These new penalties will send out a clear message to road users that I intend clamping down on irresponsible drivers who think they can ignore the law and put lives at risk."

Last year 19,074 people in Northern Ireland were caught by police for using mobile phones while driving, while 17,876 were detected not wearing their seatbelts.

Among the other measures to be brought in in June are:

A fixed penalty of £60 plus three penalty points for ignoring a temporary speed limit (eg at road works) - with 3-6 penalty points, a fine of up to £1,000 or disqualification if taken to court.

The fine for careless and inconsiderate driving is to increase to a maximum £5,000.

Using a vehicle in a dangerous condition becomes an obligatory disqualification of not less than six months if a similar offence has been committed within the previous three years.

A TV campaign on the dangers of driving while using a mobile and to alert drivers to the change in penalties is to be screened soon.

Other new road safety measures will be introduced later in the year.


How long before this finds it's way over the water?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:29 
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How long before this finds it's way over the water?

Hasn't it already? They're just catching up with the mainland.

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Hmmph, last time I obeyed the temporary speed limit over here on the M1 (30mph) I had horns blasted at me, lights flashed, nearly got rear ended numerous times... For doing the speed limit. Its too low I agree, but argh...

Edit to add... No I don't agree with the speed limit, 30mph causes too great a speed differential when people don't obey it, especially in motorway surroundings. People are used to doing 70 on this bit of road, and they will still do it, because it is safe - I refuse to because I can't afford points on my license, and I'm probably being more of a danger by obeying it...

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A fixed penalty of £60 plus three penalty points for ignoring a temporary speed limit (eg at road works) - with 3-6 penalty points, a fine of up to £1,000 or disqualification if taken to court.


"pay up or you're barred!". That's justice for you.


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"Almost all road deaths and injuries are preventable and most are caused by the behaviour of road users," Mrs Foster said.


Note Road Users

so why are the only road users targeted motorists?

No fines for jaywalking etc. I notice.

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A fixed penalty of £60 plus three penalty points for ignoring a temporary speed limit (eg at road works) - with 3-6 penalty points, a fine of up to £1,000 or disqualification if taken to court.


"pay up or you're barred!". That's justice for you.


That’s the bit I was more concerned about. How long before they threaten you with being banned for a simple speeding case if you say you will take it to court.

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Using a vehicle in a dangerous condition becomes an obligatory disqualification of not less than six months if a similar offence has been committed within the previous three years.



Would a bulb out be classed as a dangerous condition 2 duff bulbs in 3 years and your banned


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A fixed penalty of £60 plus three penalty points for ignoring a temporary speed limit (eg at road works) - with 3-6 penalty points, a fine of up to £1,000 or disqualification if taken to court.


"pay up or you're barred!". That's justice for you.


That’s the bit I was more concerned about. How long before they threaten you with being banned for a simple speeding case if you say you will take it to court.


Is it possible that this does not mean that they are threatening disqualification if you dare to challenge the fine but rather that if the case is deemed to be serious enough to take to court you may be disqualified if found guilty.

The statement looks very like an abbreviated version of the set of measures due to be implemented.

Not that the BBC would make something deliberately misleading to make something more news worthy, only commercial stations and journalists would do that.

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"Almost all road deaths and injuries are preventable and most are caused by the behaviour of road users," Mrs Foster said.


[emphasis added]

A statement of the bleeding obvious if ever there was one. In fact, an understatement. By definition, "all road deaths and injuries are .... caused by the behaviour of road users"


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