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Guardian

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

It obviously isn't working then, because a lot of them are managing to achieve their objectives (barring mishaps such as the bomb actually failing to go off).

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Let's face it, Eric Blair....alias: George Orwell, wasn't very far wrong.

With a significant numer of incorrect records at the DVLA how can this spossibly be relied upon to track terrorists.

Maybe they are looking for the plate "B LAD1N"

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Speed camera policy Kills

That gives me an idea...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

But you can park a polish car on the streets for months and every one is powerless to move it because it needs no tax, does not have a mot. It does not compute on the dvla computor so that is is all you need.

A polish reg car with a bomb.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Except that instead of treating "1984" as a work of fiction, the present government has taken it as a book of instructions!

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

The Police have been given permission to utilise all congestion charge cameras in the pursuit of........terrorism.

Once again I wonder, how? How is it possible to distinguish between 'terrorist' type journeys and 'non-terrorist' movement simply based on what cameras get passed?

Because "terrorism" is the magic word.
Mentioning "terrorism" is like saying "abracadabra" in magic....things happen.
You get to lock people up for months at a time, with no evidence.
You get to use cctv in a way that the DPA wouldn't allow for bog-standard "watch the birdie" street scanning.
You get to scan cars to build up a record of who was where, went where, and when for later use...for "terrorism prevention" of course.
You get to suspend the euro civil rights....which we signed to over 50 years ago by the way....
In fact, if it wasn't for "terrorism", the government and the police would be in deep, thick, shit.
Or rather, that should read: "the faceless public servants that run the "intelligence" services and the various government departments and the police service would be in deep, thick, shit"

I wonder if they track terrorists' wives going for milk, or whether they only misuse their powers for bona fide terrorising journeys?

Funny old thing, identify a common enemy and people will unite under your control. Unfortunately, this inept administration picked an enemy that a large proportion of the population could already identify or sympathise with, before proceeding to allow countless more in to the country unchecked!

Want to join the War on Terror(tm)? Vote them out at the next election!

With the original posting and above we are moving into a police state

When George Orwell wrote 1984 he was referring to a communist totalitarian police state. Welcome to the United Kingdom 2007


This is the death of what was left of the British Judicial System.

The police and the camera partnerships have now with the aid of the courts and the politicians got cart blanch to mug the motorist with fixed penalty fines, penalty points, and the motorist has no rights.

Is this what we call British Justice or Fair Play? Is this why we vote in our politicians?

Is the job of politicians and political parities to do the will of the electorate or to stealthily hide behind walls and in gardens to mug and bully the motorist?

As we have a deaf ear in the UK police forces (as the chief constable is not elected) the only option for the millions of oppressed motorists is to tell each and every potential parliamentary candidate when they came begging for our vote. To get these laws that prohibit the motorist from getting justice reversed or we the people will abstain from voting.

Can you imagine the constitutional mess if millions of motorists stayed at home and did not vote?

This I feel is the only way our voice will be heard by staying at home and saying nothing on voting day!

When do you have the right to remain silent?

If you explode a bomb, committing mass murder at a nightclub with hundreds of young people in side or drive into Glasgow airport with a firebomb. With the intention to murder, hundreds of families in side and get caught red handed you still...have the Right to Remain Silent. (Murder)
If you destroy the peace of a neighbourhood by damaging property and indulging in anti social behaviour you…. have the Right to Remain Silent. (Vandalism)
Steal from the elderly and the young and you…. have the Right to Remain Silent. (Theft)

Commit Rape on a Child or Rape the Elderly Spinster who works for the church and you….have the Right to Remain Silent!

However, whatever you do, don’t get a speeding ticket or the whole weight of the police and the British Judicial System will descend around you like a plague of locusts.
So we can see from the examples above the murder, vandal, thief, sexual deviant and the paedophile have more rights that a motorist!
Drive a Car, and get caught (rightly or wrongly) over the speed limit....I Have NO RIGHT TO SILENCE????It come to something when "proper" Criminals have more rights then the Law Abiding Motorist.

At the end of the day we the motorists are to blame. We should be telling the politicians that they can go and f*** themselves until they start to listen to us!


This is in issue that we as motorists and voters have the tools to change.

I have seen a statistic that 3+ million motorists are driving under the yoke of penalty points. Now this is a large proportion of the electorate. If that 3+ million were to get at lest 1 other family member or friend to abstain from voting at the next election and made it clear to all the political swine that darken our doors looking to join the commons gravy train.

We need to inform the swine they must sort out this unfair criminalisation of motorists and removing the motorists basic right to remain silent. The fact is the whole mechanism of the police and courts are brought down on the motorist yet the criminal can recommit crimes and they get a sympathetic ear from the bleeding hart liberals.

Yet these same bleeding hart liberals want the motorist to cough up for every time you are caught doing a few miles over the speed limit. By an SAS trained police operator using a hand held speed gun hiding in a camouflaged hide at 400+m in the distance.

Places you can expect to find police laser weapon operators are in gardens, behind walls, around a bend in the road, over the bough of a hill, behind a peace of street furniture, behind unmarked police vehicles or just a few meters into a speed reduction in the road. As you can see from the locations above they all conform to the police approved codes of practice for using speed detection equipment?

The most infuriating thing is the police give you the ultimatum of if you don’t like it then go to court. Then when you do you go to court you are ambushed by some anal magistrate who believes the police officer. That he (the police officer) can target a moving object at 400+m to hit a 520 mm x 111 mm (20.5" x 4 3/8") number plate with a hand held or vehicle mounted laser gun. Lock onto this 520 mm x 111 mm (20.5" x 4 3/8") number plate and take an accurate reading?

The courts do not take into account any of the other mitigating circumstances i.e.
When firing this laser weapon does the operator, regulate their breathing, as breathing in and out will cause the laser weapon to move. (This can add additional miles onto you speed of the laser weapon moves up the bonnet of your car)

When the laser weapon is zeroed is the laser weapon zeroed at a distance less than 50m. If so, how can it be used as an accurate laser weapon over the 50m zeroing distance? As there is no record of the officer’s competence of using the laser weapon over the 50m zeroing distance? Take also into account the factors on breathing and other external environmental factors and the laser weapons accuracy must be called into question.

Not only hand held laser weapons need to be questioned but vehicle mounted laser weapons can be inaccurate too. Wind speed moving the unmarked laser weapon vehicle, passing traffic causing movement of the unmarked laser weapon vehicle and movement with in the vehicle will have an effect in the targeting of the laser weapon on an 400+m target of 520 mm x 111 mm (20.5" x 4 3/8") number plate. In addition, the zeroing of these laser weapons as detailed above needs to be addressed.

No. Just less people voting.
Even if everyone failed to vote it wouldn't matter, the country could not remain ungoverned so there would be a government formed anyway.
As for the right to silence.....please. Everyone has the right to remain silent. The jury would be informed they could draw an inference from that silence. End of story.