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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 16:45 
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Driver quizzed over Lakes limit

Mr Furber spoke to Lake Patrol Rangers after breaking the limit
A blind waterskiing champion has deliberately broken the 10mph speed limit on England's largest lake.
Gerald Price, 74, skied at 28mph in a bid to challenge a power boating ban on Windermere in the Lake District.

Enforcement officers from the Lake District National Park Authority (LDNPA) interviewed Kevan Furber, the boat's driver.

Both men represent the Keep Windermere Alive Association (KWAA), which is campaigning against the restrictions.

The by-law is draconian and we believe it is disproportionate to what it is trying to achieve

Kevan Furber

In March 2005, the LDNPA outlawed high-speed craft in a move to restore the area's tranquillity.

But some businesses and MPs said it has affected the local economy, which was badly hit by the foot-and-mouth crisis of 2001.

Earlier this year the KWAA proposed a managed solution but, after taking advice from lawyers, the authority said it would not alter the limit.

Now campaigners say a legal challenge is the only way forward.

On Tuesday morning, Mr Furber made two journeys, as enforcement officers only issued a warning, in preference to taking evidence for a prosecution, the first time.

He told the Lake Patrol Ranger: "The by-law is draconian and we believe it is disproportionate to what it is trying to achieve.


Mr Price says he has been "robbed" of his enjoyment of Windermere

"It's not about me breaking the law. It's about trying to bring the National Park to the table so we can all share these wonderful surroundings."

Mr Price, who set a world speed record for blind waterskiing at Windermere in October 2004, called the restrictions "unjust, unfair and unreasonable".

After skiing down the lake, he said: "I really, really enjoyed that ski."

An LDNPA spokesman said: "We were in attendance this morning and have taken video evidence, laser speed gun readings and carried out formal interviews with the driver of the boat.

"This information will now be collated and will then be sent to Cumbria Police, who in conjunction with the Crown Prosecution Service, will then decide if there is sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution."

Eight people have been prosecuted since the 10mph speed limit was introduced, he added.


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An LDNPA spokesman said: "We were in attendance this morning and have taken video evidence, laser speed gun readings and carried out formal interviews with the driver of the boat.


Are they type approved for catching speeding water skiers?

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How does he waterski safely if he can't see the speedo?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 19:50 
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R1Nut wrote:
Are they type approved for catching speeding water skiers?

From past evidence it would appear nobody gives a hoot whether they are accurate or not.

In a past case Cumbria Magistrates and later the Crown Court (IIRC) convicted a speedboat driver on the visual evidence of a warden who was two miles away at the time, accepting his judgement as proof beyond reasonable doubt both of the speed and, it would seem, of the identity of the helmsman!

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RobinXe wrote:
How does he waterski safely if he can't see the speedo?

The driver of the boat could see - it's a simple trick really! :lol:

However, a previous stunt involved a Blind driver too - a former speed record holder for a blind driver at 99.2 mph - also on Windermere.

I suppose it would be a bit like a blind helicopter pilot... the landing would make you nervous! :shock:
But not half as nervous as having lake wardens using an opinion of speeding, while failing to deploy either a video camera, or speed gun which were both to hand, and then obtaining a conviction, upheld on appeal! :x

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An LDNPA spokesman said:"We were in attendance this morning and have taken video evidence, laser speed gun readings..."
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Are they type approved for catching speeding water skiers?

Probably irrelevant in the light of JT's reports of convictions solely on wardens' opinions...but are their radar guns any different from the LTI20-20 which, I believe, is not type approved below 30mph?

Interesting too that [the same spokesman said:[
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"This information will now be collated and will then be sent to Cumbria Police, who in conjunction with the Crown Prosecution Service, will then decide if there is sufficient evidence to bring a prosecution."

Eight people have been prosecuted since the 10mph speed limit was introduced, he added.


Not sure what the law is for the boats (presumably if the police and CPS are involved it must be law!) but surely type approval on a measuring instrument cannot vary between applications - or do we have to fear enforcement in :20: zones? Wondering as well if a lake warden counts as a 'constable' in respect of forming 'prior opinion' - and whether previous convictions could be subject to appeal in this regard.


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Probably irrelevant in the light of JT's reports of convictions solely on wardens' opinions...but are their radar guns any different from the LTI20-20 which, I believe, is not type approved below 30mph?

The LTI 20/20 is a laser speed meter.
The Gatso Radar 24 is not type approved for limits below below 30mph.

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Ziltro wrote:
The LTI 20/20 is a laser speed meter.
The Gatso Radar 24 is not type approved for limits below below 30mph.

you are, of course ,absolutely correct and I am totally incorrect - as my fresh research confirms. Apologies


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