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Post subject: Heres an interesting one

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 03:55

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A specific offence of purchasing sex in a public place will be created for the first time in Scotland, the Executive said today in advance of a stage 2 debate on the Prostitution (Public Places) (Scotland) Bill in the Parliament.

Minister plan to amend the Bill in response to detailed issues raised by the Local Government and Transport Committee's report on Stage 1.

The amendments include:

* The new offence will only apply to purchasers of sex. The existing offence at section 46 of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 will be retained to deal with sellers
* A 'loitering' offence will be extended to cover those loitering in a vehicle with the intention of obtaining the services of someone engaged in prostitution - as well as those loitering on foot.
* Increase the penalty for purchasers from a maximum £500 to a maximum of £1,000

The Executive will also consider seeking powers from Westminster to disqualify offenders from driving.

Quoted from http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/01/17091217

Hmm - i'm curious as to the thinking behind this one.

Has it come to the stage that our driving license is something that gets confiscated when we are naughty boys/girls - even when it is not a driving related offence?

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 08:40

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Yes.

Rescinding your driving licence is now a possible punishment for a variety of non-motoring offences. It's just spite and obviously ineffective. If you get done for an offence serious enough to get this penalty then the chances are that you won't give a toss about a licence, tax, insurance etc. and you will carry on driving.

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:49

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I believe it is to combat persistent 'kerb crawling' offenders.

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 13:40

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RobinXe wrote:

I believe it is to combat persistent 'kerb crawling' offenders.

Well I suggest TPTB remove some of the extreme humps in Walsall, by the red-light area, cos you HAVE to go slowly to negotiate those!

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 19:10

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BottyBurp wrote:

RobinXe wrote:

I believe it is to combat persistent 'kerb crawling' offenders.

Well I suggest TPTB remove some of the extreme humps in Walsall, by the red-light area, cos you HAVE to go slowly to negotiate those!

Try telling the mag that you were going slowly to avoid damaging your car and not to pick-up one of the girls.....you'll get CRASBO'ed out of sight....
In Northampton they have anpr in the red light area...hidden....and cctv to pick the crawlers out. Then the CPU sends people around to your house on "embarrasment visits"
Then you get fined, then your car is confiscated and finally you lose your licence.
They have probably worked-out by then that you are a persistent crawler.

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 19:26

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jomukuk wrote:

In Northampton they have anpr in the red light area...hidden....and cctv to pick the crawlers out. Then the CPU sends people around to your house on "embarrasment visits"
Then you get fined, then your car is confiscated and finally you lose your licence.

Does anyone else think this is a ludicrous overreaction? ANPR, CCTV, police visits (do they come round in a van marked "Safer Sex Partnership") and just to stop what? Something that's been going on for all of time.

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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 21:04

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http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/bed-news/Kerbcrawler-banned-from-city.3651210.jp

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:51

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This reminds me of the time as a youngster when I got pulled over for 40 in a 30 through Birkenhead docks shortly after midnight.

:bib:

Do you know why I've pulled you over sir?
:jester:

I think so officer, but can I just point out that I'd rather get done for speeding than for kerb crawling.
:bib:

That's a good point. But dont do it again.
:jester:

I wont, sorry officer, have a good night.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 13:56

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malcolmw wrote:

Depends on the area. If postitutes and kerb crawlers began infesting your area and harrasing female members of your family I suspect you may feel different? I certainly would. But of course it's okay if it's in another area....

However I agree with you that the issue will never go away, and it needs managing rather than gimmiky "crackdowns".

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 15:09

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Smithy wrote:

malcolmw wrote:

Depends on the area. If postitutes and kerb crawlers began infesting your area and harrasing female members of your family I suspect you may feel different? I certainly would. But of course it's okay if it's in another area....
However I agree with you that the issue will never go away, and it needs managing rather than gimmiky "crackdowns".

Ahh NIMBYism. :roll:

There was an area in Birmingham, I won't mention, which was well known for women of the night.

They elimininated the problem with... (drum role) CAMERAS!

I'm beginning to think the Government's answer to everything is cameras.

Lum wrote:

This reminds me of the time as a youngster when I got pulled over for 40 in a 30 through Birkenhead docks shortly after midnight.

:bib:

Do you know why I've pulled you over sir?
:jester:

I think so officer, but can I just point out that I'd rather get done for speeding than for kerb crawling.
:bib:

That's a good point. But dont do it again.
:jester:

I wont, sorry officer, have a good night.

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 15:55

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Big Tone wrote:

Ahh NIMBYism. :roll:

Indeed! I'm making no apologies for saying I don't want prostitutes and kerb crawler In My Back Yard. Of course I was being a little sarcastic when I said it was okay in someone else's area. It's not, but neither can the issue be managed simply by crackdowns.

On the wider point of should someone lose their licence for non-motoring offences? I say yes, if that is deemed an appropriate punishment and the offence was serious. In limited circumstances it could be an alternative to sending people to prison.

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 21:40

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malcolmw wrote:

jomukuk wrote:

It would be nice if they put a similar amount of effort and resources into catching burglars........

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Stormin

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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 20:02

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Now lets be sensible on this one gents as all us "married" ones know we have been paying for this little pastime for all of our married lives :lol:

Just because it happens to be the same woman on a regular basis does that mean we will have the ANPR vanman coming to our homes :?:

And what about the poor sods like me who have had 2 bites of the proverbial wedding cake (and still paying for the first one to boot) will I warrant a visit form both ends of the country as the first one was from north of the border :?:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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