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I picked this off another website and would like to know the rights and wrongs.


Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: pulled by the police

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I got pulled over on Monday morning by the police on the way to work. By all accounts I had been travelling a couple of miles per hour over the speed limit and without a belt.

He had a look round the car and checked the tax then asked me to sit in with him. He asked for my documents which I didn’t have so I got a producer.

All normal until he asked for my thumb print. I commentated my concern at the time but told that if I was refusing we would need to go to the station.

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I would have been horrified. Is this a known and acceptable demand these days?

Will the last decent person to leave the country please turn off the lights? Thank you.

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Don't forget that, when they take you to the station, they can force you to provide a DNA sample which they will then keep, regardless of whether or not you are eventually convicted, or even charged.

http://www.theregister.com/2005/01/13/g ... _database/

Welcome to StasiWorld, brought to you by New Labour with the kind assistance of the Home Office.

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Ooo, got to admot this is news to me. Our force certainly hasn't got this idea on the go at the moment. It used to be if you were charged with an offence, your DNA & prints were taken. The police can now take these before charge.
I haven't checked out whether this applies to your situation, but if you went to court and were aquitted, you could demand destruction of your prints & DNA, and could even pop allong to witness it.
This new practice is probably being brought in through criminals giving false details whilst they are being issued a HORT 1 (production of documents slip).
It is not uncommon for criminals to give details of another person they know (and who looks similar). I once had a guy give me his brothers details, he did this because he was disqualified, and didn't want to be arrested. Unfortunately he hadn't spoke to his brother for a while, and when his brothers details came back over my radio, he was also disqualified I later found out who he was in custody, and also charged him for obstruct police

It should be remebered, that if the officer who stops you is not satisfied that he has your correct name, address and date of birth, he can arrest you under secion 25 of PACE, and take you to a police station. At the station your dentention would be authorised untill your identification was confirmed.
I understand your concern of this practice, and would check as to whether your print will be destroyed upon prodution of your documents.

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Somewhere back in the recent archives of PH - as posted by Streetcop - there is a link to a BBC questionnaire which tests you on police powers.

Widly went pale and quiet (unusual for her) when she did the quiz and we found that we do indeed live in a Stasi land.

They can take your DNA by force if you refuse .. and keep them on record for as long as they want according to this quiz (and I cannot remember what the thread or link were called - nor can Wildy.

It was scary stuff....

Only they claim they are protecting us from terrorists.....

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Is this the questionnaire you're thinking of? (linked from this PH thread)

Not since 2001, according to the BBC article.