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FM: So the narrators of Jackanory are all liars are they? If you are such a muppet that you didn’t recognise that my post was spoof, highlighted by (lol) and still can’t see it now that it’s been explained several times to you. Then you must believe absolutely anything like “the vicar wasn’t sexually assaulting the boys, he was merely teaching them to masturbate you honour.”

You do make me laugh! But then you will keep raking up the past won’t you.

FM said “When the CPS case was complete there was no doubt the car was in a public place, he was over the alcohol limit and he was in the drivers seat with the keys. Note that they do not have to show he intended to drive.”

!!!!!!! The Crown DOES have to show intention to drive!!! Otherwise there would be a presumption of guilt, not innocence and this would contravene Human Rights Legislation. However I would suggest that the facts (drunk, public place, drivers seat, keys) was their evidence – now whether or not the bench or jury thought that that was sufficient is a different matter – but the Crown must prove its case and prove intention!!!!!

Don’t worry Hairy, FM is getting this presumption of innocence thing wrong all over the shop which makes me think he isn’t a magistrate.

I notice that FM is at pains to emphasise his “training” but silent on his “qualifications”. I trained for a marathon but I’ve never run one!

FM:

Why do you post the same things on different posts you muppet!

The legislation outlines what MUST BE PROVED BY THE CROWN - not that the defendant has to prove innocence to a charge as you have stated (but have probably edited you post now).

Just because it prescribes a defence, doesn't mean that a defendant has to prove his innocence as you are stating all over this web site and many other people are quite righty raising the concerns about.

I am alarmed that Safespeed allows you to use a "Magistrates" logo when you are so misleading and could ruin someones life with your advice - do they check you really are a magistrate?

Lucy - I have asked once already that you refrain from "playing the man instead of the ball" - please take note. You are free to challenge what Fisherman says but don't get personal about it please, it's not how we like to see debate carried out on here. (We do fail from time to time, but I think it's worth striving for)

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

Prof: you are obviosly Fisherman's chum and visit the thread when ever he come sobbing to you.

Why don't you have a go at Fisherman when he calls me a liar??? Do I start crying to you- no.

Is anyone going to tell me how you get a Magistrates logo? Safespeed need to take care about this sort of thing because they will be seen to be a bunch of morons if they allow people to masquerade as "experts" when just about everyone else has spotted that Fisherman hasn't got the faintest idea about the presumptiom of innocence and just twists everything around and edits his previous comments to deny his errors - he don't fool me nor many other people.

Practice what you preach or be prepared to take your medicine.

I look forward to you publically addressing Fisherman about his acusations that I am a liar.

Do you want this site full of morons or people with professional legal qualifications who have the rights of audience in court, that come from an automotive background and are regarded as experts in vehicle dynamics who cut their teeth as test drivers for major manufacturers? Well? You tell me what you want and I'll decide if I wish to stay - wouldn't want to stay where I wasn't welcome.

Pehaps you might like to read my posts on mobile phones where Fisherman didn't try and confuse everyone with his warped justice. I was considering taking on pro-bono cases such as that ladies daughter but at the moment I am not confident that a professional association with Safespeed will help futher road safety.

If you want me to go, then let Safespeed say so. Its no skin off my nose just very dissappointing that a site dedicated to road safety panders to the pathetic.

But you are a self confessed liar so how can you object to that?


Are you referring to his observation that you lied about how you acquired what little knowledge of the law you do have?



Yes please Safespeed

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I wonder if Walter Mitty might be a more appropriate pseudonym for you.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Lucy - I don't know FM at all! He neither my chum or my foe, just someone who posts on here. IF Fisherman has called you a "liar" (as opposed to saying you are incorrect) he should not do so, for the same reason as I have asked you to refrain from personal attacks. I repeat - to EVERYONE - argue about what is said, not who says it!

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I won't slave for beggar's pay,
likewise gold and jewels,
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools

I confirm that to be correct. I further state that I have never met any poster from here in person as far as I know. I did talk to Paul on the telephone some years ago. As a result of that conversation he accepted my position as a JP. I did not volunteer my status, Paul asked where I got my information from.


The only occasion I have said that Lucy has lied is in regard to this post.
which Lucy later confirmed to be complete fabrication. Lucy has also said that the presence of (lol) at the end should have alerted us that the statement was untrue. I took the view that anything starting with the words "The truth" would be true, and that the (lol) referred to Lucy's earning law from a most unusual source ie Hansard.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

Entirely my impression. That quotation was a reply to a message of welcome from me and I feel quite aggrieved that my kindness was abused in that manner, compounded by called a numpty for accepting her verisimilitude. You say that her knowledge of the law is that of an A-level student. Her knowledge of mechanics would have shamed an O-level student in my youth but might just be up to that standard today.

In any event it is no longer possible to give credence to anything she says.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Fisherman you have made the inference that I am a liar (BBC v Gillick?) and I expect you have edited your post now.

I am concerned that your un-professional conduct is a matter for the Court Services as you are bringing the Service into disrepute.

If Walley, Malcolm and Fisherman can't get a joke - well that's their problem. My pals think its just funnier how they go on and on about it making themselves look stupid. You are a bunch of school boys boasting who can piss up the wall highest.

However there are some intellegent people on here who share my concern for road safety. As I have said before, the least said the sooner healed, but you raking up the past ever since the Hamiltion defence scenario.

If Fisherman was a Magistrate, he would have known that guidelines where hurried out afterwards to prevent such another perverse aquittal happening.

So if you want to contribute to a new post, putting the past behind you, thats fine by me. I suggest you leave the existing ones and the new threads you contribute in a dignified manner, rather than opening you contribution with words to the effect
that I am going to start lieing for the sake of arguement.

I can see why there are no solicitor/lawyer/judge badges on this site.

But like I said, all Safe Speed have to say is that my knowledge and experience of law and vehicle dynamics is not wecolm then thats fine by me. But a bunch of muppets who can't get a joke - after its been explained several times isn't going to bother me in the slightest.

Is their a sexist problem you boys want to share?

It would seem that your word fell on deaf ears by the following posts! Is this really what Safe Speed is about?

Keep digging, Lucy. How do you know what gender fisherman and I are? Try to answer that without any "sexist" assumptions.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Keep digging Walley, have I said what sex you are?

Folks, these personal references aren’t helping the thread or the community.

I suggest we all continue on topic without assertion of gender, profession or otherwise.

[posting as moderator]

I couldn't agree more, but is a bit of sexist banter so bad? Pretty shallow compared to calling some one a liar and then editing your post to deny it!

But if thats what it takes to further road safety then so be it.

It is a sad unusual to refer to a females as boys

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

But knowledge of profession can add weight to a pronouncement. If, as Lucy asserts, Fisherman is masquerading as a magistrate, that would be a serious breach of forum etiquette.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Which is why I have contacted Claire to arrange a check of my status to a level which she finds acceptable. The checks are under way.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

Perhaps Lucy would care to do the same

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I have contacted Claire and asked for an audit trail check to show that when I edit a post I add a note saying that I have done so. For the sake of clarity I have NOT edited any post in order to change the sense or meaning of that post.



On the subject of status I have already posted that I have requested Claire to carry out a check on my claims in order to prove, to her satisfaction, that I am what I say I am.

I note with interest the following posts by you.




The second quote states very clearly that you were considering undertaking pro bono work here. My understanding of "pro bono" in a legal context is that it means that a properly qualified legal professional will undertake legal work free of charge for the public good.
Taken in combination with the first of those quotes it leads me to the conclusion that you are either a Solicitor, Barrister or a Fellow of the Institute of Legal Executives with a background as a test driver. There is no (lol) or any similar addition to suggest that this another joke on your part.

If my assumption is correct you would be of great value to this forum and if my leaving here would enable you to stay, then I will do that for the sake of those who post here looking for advice.

To assist me to make an informed decision I would be grateful if you would answer the following questions in a clear an unambiguous manner.

Do the above remarks about a person with "professional legal qualifications" apply to you?
If so are you a solicitor, barrister or FILEX ? For the benefit of those outside the system a law degree is not a "professional legal qualification" and does not carry "rights of audience".


If you can truthfully answer yes to both of those questions, please contact Claire to arrange a check of your status. For the sake of clarity I have arranged for Claire to contact colleagues of mine to verify my status. I have also offered to meet with Claire or one of the moderators to show them my HMCS photo ID card.

Please understand this is not wind up, it is a serious post aimed at ensuring this site continues to grow in status. The issue of road safety is more important than either of us.
If I have interpreted your posts correctly, as soon as Claire confirms your status I will cease posting here. I am sure you can rely on Claire to keep your name and status confidential.
If I have not interpreted your posts correctly, I am sure others here would be as interested as I am to find out exactly what you did mean.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.