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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 22:40 
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Anyone watching Dispatches on channel 4? :shock:


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Watched it and found it to be sensationalism on the whole. However, there is clear evidence of the shift from traffic policing to revenue generation.

That said, I found the c*ck-ups caused by the DVLA disturbing. Because you now get a confirmation of transfer of ownership from DVLA, at least with the new rules, you'd be able to prove that you no longer were the registered keeper of a vehicle sold after the rules came into affect. However, I don't think that would help the guy who had the bailiffs at the door despite that he had never owned the vehicle to which the outstanding Kengestion charges applied.

However, the most disturbing bit was the claim that only 70% of DVLA's data is accurate!

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Oscar wrote:
Anyone watching Dispatches on channel 4? :shock:


I saw it. Even by my authoritarian standards, I was shocked by the treatment Joe Public got from the meter maids. Should be a bloody law against it!

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Basingwerk wrote: I saw it. Even by my authoritarian standards, I was shocked by the treatment Joe Public got from the meter maids. Should be a bloody law against it!


There is. It's called extortion


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Anyone watching Dispatches on channel 4? :shock:


I saw it. Even by my authoritarian standards, I was shocked by the treatment Joe Public got from the meter maids. Should be a bloody law against it!


There's something very very dangerous to society going on.

I'm reminded of a famous experiment where students were split into 'guards' and 'prisoners' and left to live in a prison-style environment. The guards became so aggressive and authoritarian that the experiment had to be stopped.

This is all about the psychology of giving authority to folk who may not be the best equipped to use it wisely.

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The guards became so aggressive and authoritarian that the experiment had to be stopped. This is all about the psychology of giving authority to folk who may not be the best equipped to use it wisely.


All the people in the show were simpletons. Perhaps they only provide low wages for the job, and only boneheads apply - even the 'senior' people were dullards.

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So we can discount any threat coming from "boneheads" then? Of course not.

We need to learn from history, and one of the principle lessons is that power corrupts. You only have to go back as far as the Holocaust to see how "ordinary" people will turn into animals and do inhuman things to their common men simply through being given sufficient opportunity, authority, and a removal of accountability. There was nothing genetically different about the perpetrators of all the atrocities.

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I'm reminded of a famous experiment where students were split into 'guards' and 'prisoners' and left to live in a prison-style environment. The guards became so aggressive and authoritarian that the experiment had to be stopped.


Giving authority to those who can use it without accompanying responsibility or accountability is fraught with dire consequences.


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So we can discount any threat coming from "boneheads" then? Of course not.


I thought that basingwerk meant that giving authority to boneheads was the cause of the trouble.

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Giving authority to those who can use it without accompanying responsibility or accountability is fraught with dire consequences


Exactley how are Government will end up.

All the authority, with the added bonus of them being able to blame the EU, for the Legislation they bring in :!:

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SafeSpeed wrote:
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So we can discount any threat coming from "boneheads" then? Of course not.


I thought that basingwerk meant that giving authority to boneheads was the cause of the trouble.


I suppose I mean that if you want to set up a system of any kind, in order to operate it properly, you have to invest in good people and good technology. In our topsey-turvey world, we don't get the right people at the sharp who do the actual work. The right people to build and operate this system (and others, like the DVLA and the passport office and what have you) are available - for the right price. If you don't pay the full price and lay the system out well, it will be a mess. Guaranteed.

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basingwerk wrote:
If you don't pay the full price and lay the system out well, it will be a mess. Guaranteed.

I saw it. one things for sure...the won't get my credit card details.... :roll:

Sounds like anything to do with local authorities to me...at least someone is getting a hefty back-hander out of it.

There is bound to be one on SCPs at some stage. Can't wait for that one.

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