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jomukuk
 Post subject: Road tax/motoring cost
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 07:50 
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26. In round terms, Table 1 shows that the Government raises close to £50 billion from
road users. About one third of this is general taxation on consumption and income—VAT,
Insurance Premium Tax, and Company Car Tax which are not specific to road users.
About £30 billion is raised through taxes and charges specific to road users—£25 billion
fuel duty, £5 billion VED and £0.5 billion (gross) from tolls on certain bridges and tunnels,
and the London congestion charge. This is a large amount, both for the road users who pay
it and the Government which relies upon it. Yet the Government does not present the
figures in a comprehensive or accessible form. We have had to compile them from a variety
of the sources and witness evidence. The information provided by the Government on this
issue was much more limited than that provided by other witnesses.23



http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmtran/103/103.pdf

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 18:11 
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Drivers 'don't trust' road taxes

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And now Cameron wants road pricing :x
Motorists would have to pay tolls to drive on newly-built roads under plans being drawn up by the Conservatives to cut public spending.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/new ... plans.html
Don't they ever listen ?

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First they road-charged the new roads.........

You will remember that I said it would arrive...no matter what.
You just chip away at the edges, and slowly you get to the centre.
Next, the insurance companies will insist that new drivers ONLY get "pay-by-mile" insurance policies, with installed gps loggers...
That takes care of new ROADS and new DRIVERS.
Then, they will introduce charges to existing motorways "to pay for improvements", then dual carriageways.
You REALLY didn't think that all new roads, and any newly altered roads, had expensive fibre-optic cables installed along their lengths to make matrix signs work....did you ?
Why would they install high-capacity data links for low-bandwidth systems ?
This is money talking here.....

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing
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You REALLY didn't think that all new roads, and any newly altered roads, had expensive fibre-optic cables installed along their lengths to make matrix signs work....did you ?
Why would they install high-capacity data links for low-bandwidth systems ?
This is money talking here.....


Well not to piss on your bonfire

Costs of fiber is tumbling all the time. I would argue that it is a good investment to allow redundant bandwidth by installing low cost fiber instead of ever increasingly rare copper.
Fibre also has a much longer transmission range than copper allowing matrix signs to be easily daisy chained removing reliance on third party networks.

I still think road pricing is a disgrace though!
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Why would they install high-capacity data links for low-bandwidth systems ?


So they can sell the excess capacity of course. :juggle:
The main cost of installing a daa link is in the civil works. The marginal cost of going from medium to high capacity is so low that nobody puts in anything other than high capacity links. If low capacity is adequate you can avoid the civil costs by going wireless.

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Why would they install high-capacity data links for low-bandwidth systems ?


So they can sell the excess capacity of course. :juggle:
The main cost of installing a daa link is in the civil works. The marginal cost of going from medium to high capacity is so low that nobody puts in anything other than high capacity links. If low capacity is adequate you can avoid the civil costs by going wireless.


It's true - they call it dark fibre. SPRint (a huge US comms firm) is an offshoot of the Southern Pacific Railway. It cheaply laid lines along its tracks. As railways diminished, it grew to be the 3rd biggest US comms firm. The roads, like Sprint's rail lines, provide the geographic conduit for new fibre optic cable.
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jomukuk wrote:
You REALLY didn't think that all new roads, and any newly altered roads, had expensive fibre-optic cables installed along their lengths to make matrix signs work....did you ?
Why would they install high-capacity data links for low-bandwidth systems ?

It is for the spy camera systems. ANPR etc. Log our movements, watch us everywhere.

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jomukuk
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except they're not going to use it for anything else:

http://www.highways.gov.uk/knowledge/1299.aspx

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