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jomukuk
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 00:06 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215795/Police-threaten-shop-motorists-insurance-companies--leave-CDs-coats-cars.html

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It's easier to target the victims instead of the actual criminals.

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Steve wrote:
It's easier to target the victims instead of the actual criminals.


How very true that statement is, Meanwhile a mother cries out for help and shes ignored by them, What a horrid story,

A mother who killed herself and her disabled daughter in a burning car had contacted police more than 30 times about abuse claims, an inquest heard.

Fiona Pilkington, 38, made her last report of intimidation by a gang of youths on the day she died, a jury at Loughborough Town Hall was told.

Coroner Olivia Davison heard police considered her to be "over-reacting" and did not respond to many complaints.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic ... 263027.stm

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To be fair, I believe the police had tried to do something about this, but were hampered by inaction on the part of the council, in seeking an ASBO which the police could have used to enforce a degree of protection for the family. :(

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So you can't leave your coat in the car, because a thief might think there's something of value in it...

What abut the whole bloody car then!!?!

Will drivers be expected to have their gloveboxes removed/open and empty, in case criminals suspect the crown jewels might be in there, or maybe some boiled sweets!?

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http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/ ... 273839.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sout ... 273839.stm

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An internal police inquiry has begun after an officer threatened to report motorists to insurance companies for leaving valuables on display.

South Yorkshire Police said a community support officer devised and distributed a letter to drivers in Doncaster.

A force spokesman said the letters had been destroyed and police had no intention of reporting motorists to insurance providers.

He said the officer wrote the warning "with the best intentions".

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Ch Insp Andy Kent said police would not contact insurance companies but officers would send advisory letters to the owners of any vehicles in which valuables were spotted.

He said: "Police in Doncaster have not reported motorists to their insurance companies for leaving valuables on display in their cars or vans and there is no intention to do so.

"We want to work with motorists, not against them, to continue to drive down vehicle crime in the town.

"A police community support officer, working on their own initiative and with the best intentions, unfortunately against force policy, devised and distributed a letter stating that insurance firms may be contacted. This is not the case."



It's an allegation that this person did this. :popcorn:

WE do not do this., nor do colleagues in S Yorks :popcorn:


We will advise to keep an empty looking car with nowt on show. If your car was broken into and something nicked . then we would give the same advisory blurb ., but just give a crime number for insurance purposes and zero comments made beyond this as not our business in a civil claim matter over personal losses. :popcorn: We would stil round up the likely suspects and try to find out who "dunnit" if we can :popcorn:


I can only say that perhaps the community support officer got "carried away" and suggest corrective training as regards law and role for him or her to be fair to the person. There would be nowt wrong in this officer explaining the common sense of never leaving something nickable in full view in the car. I had serious words even with one of Ted's sisters recently over this very issue. She did not take any offence over my comments either. :lol: She's a nice girl .. sensible but she slipped on that one and I copped her :twisted:

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
To be fair, I believe the police had tried to do something about this, but were hampered by inaction on the part of the council, in seeking an ASBO which the police could have used to enforce a degree of protection for the family. :(



Story I've seen was that Leics council actually had an eviction order against the main offenders ,but allowed it to lapse by not enforcing it in time .Thus of course sending a message to others that they would act but not enforce .

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The police in dorset have notices up in car parks saying "don't leave valuables in your car" or something like that. They seem to be written quite threateningly. I read it as "we are incompetent".

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This attitude of "It's your own fault" is catching on.

Roadworks in some counties have signs saying "Repairing worn out carriageway" - which is really saying "If your held up, it's because YOU wore them out!" :)

Note that if police advise that you deter thieves by keeping windows closed, and valuables not on view, it is classed as crime prevention advice, but if you warn females not to go out in short skirts and provocative garb, you are demeaning them, and they should have every right to go out dressed like that.

Heaven help any judge in a rape case should hint that the victims dress and drinking habits were partly responsible! :(

We should make common sense mandatory by law! :bunker:

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Note that if police advise that you deter thieves by keeping windows closed, and valuables not on view, it is classed as crime prevention advice, but if you warn females not to go out in short skirts and provocative garb, you are demeaning them, and they should have every right to go out dressed like that.

I had not seen the analogy between these things. Thanks Ernest.

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malcolmw wrote:
Ernest Marsh wrote:
Note that if police advise that you deter thieves by keeping windows closed, and valuables not on view, it is classed as crime prevention advice, but if you warn females not to go out in short skirts and provocative garb, you are demeaning them, and they should have every right to go out dressed like that.

I had not seen the analogy between these things. Thanks Ernest.



Then again --time period I talk of - a bloke flashing would have been hauled off to the nick ,especially at about eight on a Saturday night .
There was I ,sat in a taxi rank ,at the sort of time where nothing happened(was there to get some extra cash to supplement day job)
,when I noticed movement on passenger side of next cab - nubile young female sidled up to cab ,knocked on window ,placed her rear end to passenger window and lifted skirt(short left little to imagination) ,flashed for a few minutes ,then moved on to mine .And yes -she was not wearing pants .From what I saw she did about fifteen cabs before vanishing .


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I believe in making it as hard as possible for the opportunist thief as well as the career thief. :popcorn: I find my big dogs :twisted: are really very able as a deterrent. They sound like a pack ..at the slightest "intruder". :hehe:

Dress and drink? I happen to have self respect and have brought up all my own kids - hopefully - to have smilarly decent values. Part of my self respect is about maintaining my property and safeguarding things of value to me..

However, the attitude as reported in this article is all wrong: the victim has probably learned a hard lesson that people nick things for no other reason other than "it's there and they can" and the police have an obligation to try to find the person and bring him/her to account. It's certainly not police business to try to invalidate or prevent any insurance claim. I am sure the insurers would take into account any "carelessness" on the part of the claimant anyway and reduce the claim accordingly anyway :popcorn:

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