http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2009/09 ... ime-worse/Wall Street Journal wrote:
Fiona Pilkington Tragedy: Asbos Clearly Make Crime Worse
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By Iain Martin
A brilliant and important observation appears in the latest column by Mary Dejevsky in the Indy. She’s writing about the horrors of the Fiona Pilkington case, in which a mother killed herself and her daughter after years of harassment from her feral teenage neighbours. Disgracefully, the police paid virtually no attention to her pleas for help, in the process providing proof of how far removed policing in Britain now is from its core job. That should to catch criminals so effectively that it puts off other potential criminals.
Leicestershire Constabulary/Associated Press
Undated handout photo issued by Leicestershire Constabulary of Fiona Pilkington, left, and her daughter Francecca Hardwick, 18-years-old. But Dejevsky rightly identifies the failure of Asbos (Anti-Social Behaviour Orders) as central to this crisis of policing. New Labour introduced them in order to show how seriously it took the kind of low-level crime which blights neighbourhoods, and particularly poor neighbourhoods. But the effect - it’s those old “unintended consequences of progress” again - has been the opposite to that intended. Instead, it has trivialised such behaviour to the extent that Asbo culture is endlessly laughed at on television rather than being treated seriously.
“There were, Alan Johnson said yesterday, “no excuses”. Quite so. But his specific criticisms and remedies should not go without challenge. First, there is the matter of anti-social behaviour. Mr Johnson said the agencies were wrong to regard such anti-social behaviour as the Pilkington’s experienced as “low-level crime”. But what, pray, does the description “anti-social behaviour” denote? By separating this sort of persistent petty crime from “real” crime, the Government has invited the police to treat it differently. And this was surely the purpose. The Blair government correctly identified this sort of persistent and neglected offending as something voters were worried about, especially in deprived areas. But the effect of classifying it as “anti-social behaviour” and slapping “Asbos” on offenders was that it was no longer treated as a crime. It was a nuisance to be tackled by cut-price “community” officers, not the fully paid-up variety. Mr Johnson regrets that perhaps ministers “coasted” on anti-social behaviour. But this is a direct consequence of separating it from crime.”
Precisely: treat crime as crime. Read the whole thing here.
It seems that this incident has earned us little credibility abroad
As WIldy remarked in one post about the CREB checks - "anti-social behaviour" can mean anything from "holding dissident values/wearing T-shirts proclaiming the incumbent of the day in Number 10 is a an "idiot""" to plain thuggery. :popcron: Having freedpm of speech is one thing. Bullying others into submission by intimidation .. agressive and menacing behaviour such as this is a crime.
Now I'd love to say Co Durham has a perfect record. But we don't. We have our share of so-called sink estates and whilst we have a decent enough "clear up rate" - we still fail on red tape/some mismanaged resourcing on occasions

- not often but at least we do evaluate ourselves objectively .. which means another round of red tape and targets
We do try. It's like firefighting given levels of dsyfunctional families and arrogantly selfish with zero idea of gentlemanly or ladylike decently civilised courtesies out there.
But is the problem down to police alone?

Down to the "government"? If you choose the latter - you have "nanny state" with the politicallly correct undermining all tried/tested and true normality all the more.
We have said umpteem times that society has become "less tolerant of others" and you only need read some vulgarities and subsequent pack like behaviour on any internet forum should one person hold a different opinion or even hold an opinion which some think "I should not have

" (OK .. so I am also guilty here of making an indirect jibe at Greenshed

which is obvious given the constant spite he posts in my direction ..you could argue I am rising to his bait of course

- indirectly of course ..

) -
but all the same I think all know Ted and Vrenchen put up with a lot of bile on a DIFFERENT site last year over my posting on THIS site which has NOWT to do with that one
Given that person posted some very hurtful thing up to and after Vrenchen gave birth - highly unforgiveable and the site in question has plummeted in integrity as a result as far as they are concerned.OK .. After a mini rant for the sake of it. (It's been a long hard day.. Sigghhhhhh! and I'm indulging in cathartic chattering

)
Anyway my point? How far are police accountable? How far our teachers accountable? We can try to enforce the rules here - but the buck rests with the parents. We are constantly mopping up feral kids aged 16 and under . one was just aged four year

So what next ? A parenting order? To parents who do not give a damn and had the kids for "social benefits/roof over heads"? I know some might think of an extreme remedy... but that would also be an unthinkable

really.
Sadly there are no easy answers. Some balk at "spanking/smacking" - but my generation regularly received the "slipper or the cane/or the rolled up newpaper"

for silly things like "talking in class/not doing homework/not applying oneself to the lesson in question" etc .. (I did get the latter off my Dad . and it was actually worse in overall "sting effect" than the other options at the time ..

) But "it did us no harm overall" as it was not carried out with intent to harm .. humilation apart
In the mean time police are expected to provide resources to protect the named and shamed family against an outraged society ...
whilst the telegraph brings us back to Wildy's original question
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -help.htmlWHY did no one visit this lady and listen to her problems over a nice cup of tea and try to at least do something.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -help.html