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Police failed to respond to pleas from a single mother who was tormented by youths because they believed she was "over-reacting", an inquest has heard.

In her despair, Fiona Pilkington killed herself and her disabled daughter Francecca Hardwick by dousing their car in petrol and setting it alight while they sat parked in a lay-by.

The bodies of Ms Pilkington, 38, and her 18-year-old daughter, who had severe learning difficulties, were found in the family's Austin Maestro at the side of the A47 near Earl Shilton, Leicestershire, in October 2007.

Ms Pilkington, her daughter and her 19-year-old son Anthony Hardwick, who has severe dyslexia, suffered more than 10 years of abuse from a 16-strong gang, who lived in their street in nearby Barwell. They would often pelt their home with eggs, flour and stones, while shouting insults at the children about their disabilities.

Ms Pilkington contacted police more than 30 times in the seven years before her death about her family's ordeal but officers failed to respond on many occasions because there were not enough resources.

Despite her son being locked in a shed at knifepoint, beaten with a metal bar and the gang shouting to her daughter to lift up her nightdress as she went to bed, no-one was ever prosecuted.

On the second day of an inquest at Loughborough Town Hall into the deaths of Ms Pilkington and Francecca, who was known as Frankie, the court heard officers considered her to be "over-reacting".

The jury heard that when she complained in April 2007 about youths smoking in her front garden, an officer visited her but closed the incident log soon after.

The inquest heard that many of the incidents recorded were filed as grade 2, which did not require an immediate response from police. But the family still did not receive a visit from an officer on many occasions because there were not enough available.

Chris Tew, former Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police, admitted that many of the calls to police were not linked and were regarded as anti-social behaviour. On other occasions the reports were not passed on to the street's beat officer.

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I have mixed feelings.. :( But that belong to its own topic. But the "land of the free" per the legend ist not quite such... I have read some rather scary stories.... :( :shock: .. such as a kid being suspended from school because she had "period pain tablets" und another with cough medicine in her bag.. because of "zero tolerance or blind rigid adherence to school rules" :roll: whilst 5 other girls are taking the school to court because they were strip searched after another girl lost $100 during a gym lesson. :roll: Such stories make me :scratchchin: und wonder.

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back to this story .. they say they have not the resources :roll: I would suggest they should have given the general bull :censored: t we get over how a "speed camera has freed up police time to resolve cases like these" :furious: :banghead:

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Actually this piece warrants its own thread - but I've posted the link as it relates partially to this sad story.

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if what we read and hear in the media about this case is true, or near true, some heads need to roll and the people that made her life a misery need dealing with.


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if what we read and hear in the media about this case is true, or near true, some heads need to roll and the people that made her life a misery need dealing with.



Could say a lot about how hands are tied .Suffice it to say that witnesses in a criminal matter are given rights that witnesses in this sort of civil matter do not get .So if you stand up to these thugs you can expect to get abuse every time you step outside ,your car vandalised ( you learn to check wheel nuts before driving) ,your house made a target for eggs etc -the council will try to persuade you to move .But then the only cheap testimony they can get is that of the victims -there's no fund /organisation to get professional witnesses .If the councils want that -it costs .

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http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2009/09 ... ime-worse/

Wall Street Journal wrote:
Fiona Pilkington Tragedy: Asbos Clearly Make Crime Worse
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A brilliant and important observation appears in the latest column by Mary Dejevsky in the Indy. She’s writing about the horrors of the Fiona Pilkington case, in which a mother killed herself and her daughter after years of harassment from her feral teenage neighbours. Disgracefully, the police paid virtually no attention to her pleas for help, in the process providing proof of how far removed policing in Britain now is from its core job. That should to catch criminals so effectively that it puts off other potential criminals.


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Undated handout photo issued by Leicestershire Constabulary of Fiona Pilkington, left, and her daughter Francecca Hardwick, 18-years-old. But Dejevsky rightly identifies the failure of Asbos (Anti-Social Behaviour Orders) as central to this crisis of policing. New Labour introduced them in order to show how seriously it took the kind of low-level crime which blights neighbourhoods, and particularly poor neighbourhoods. But the effect - it’s those old “unintended consequences of progress” again - has been the opposite to that intended. Instead, it has trivialised such behaviour to the extent that Asbo culture is endlessly laughed at on television rather than being treated seriously.

“There were, Alan Johnson said yesterday, “no excuses”. Quite so. But his specific criticisms and remedies should not go without challenge. First, there is the matter of anti-social behaviour. Mr Johnson said the agencies were wrong to regard such anti-social behaviour as the Pilkington’s experienced as “low-level crime”. But what, pray, does the description “anti-social behaviour” denote? By separating this sort of persistent petty crime from “real” crime, the Government has invited the police to treat it differently. And this was surely the purpose. The Blair government correctly identified this sort of persistent and neglected offending as something voters were worried about, especially in deprived areas. But the effect of classifying it as “anti-social behaviour” and slapping “Asbos” on offenders was that it was no longer treated as a crime. It was a nuisance to be tackled by cut-price “community” officers, not the fully paid-up variety. Mr Johnson regrets that perhaps ministers “coasted” on anti-social behaviour. But this is a direct consequence of separating it from crime.”

Precisely: treat crime as crime. Read the whole thing here.




It seems that this incident has earned us little credibility abroad :popcorn:


As WIldy remarked in one post about the CREB checks - "anti-social behaviour" can mean anything from "holding dissident values/wearing T-shirts proclaiming the incumbent of the day in Number 10 is a an "idiot""" to plain thuggery. :popcron: Having freedpm of speech is one thing. Bullying others into submission by intimidation .. agressive and menacing behaviour such as this is a crime.


Now I'd love to say Co Durham has a perfect record. But we don't. We have our share of so-called sink estates and whilst we have a decent enough "clear up rate" - we still fail on red tape/some mismanaged resourcing on occasions :roll: - not often but at least we do evaluate ourselves objectively .. which means another round of red tape and targets :roll:


We do try. It's like firefighting given levels of dsyfunctional families and arrogantly selfish with zero idea of gentlemanly or ladylike decently civilised courtesies out there.

But is the problem down to police alone? :scratchchin: Down to the "government"? If you choose the latter - you have "nanny state" with the politicallly correct undermining all tried/tested and true normality all the more. :banghead:


We have said umpteem times that society has become "less tolerant of others" and you only need read some vulgarities and subsequent pack like behaviour on any internet forum should one person hold a different opinion or even hold an opinion which some think "I should not have :wink:" (OK .. so I am also guilty here of making an indirect jibe at Greenshed :hehe: which is obvious given the constant spite he posts in my direction ..you could argue I am rising to his bait of course :wink: - indirectly of course .. :wink: ) - but all the same I think all know Ted and Vrenchen put up with a lot of bile on a DIFFERENT site last year over my posting on THIS site which has NOWT to do with that one :popcorn: Given that person posted some very hurtful thing up to and after Vrenchen gave birth - highly unforgiveable and the site in question has plummeted in integrity as a result as far as they are concerned.


OK .. After a mini rant for the sake of it. (It's been a long hard day.. Sigghhhhhh! and I'm indulging in cathartic chattering :popcorn:)


Anyway my point? How far are police accountable? How far our teachers accountable? We can try to enforce the rules here - but the buck rests with the parents. We are constantly mopping up feral kids aged 16 and under . one was just aged four year :banghead:

So what next ? A parenting order? To parents who do not give a damn and had the kids for "social benefits/roof over heads"? I know some might think of an extreme remedy... but that would also be an unthinkable :nono: really. :popcorn:


Sadly there are no easy answers. Some balk at "spanking/smacking" - but my generation regularly received the "slipper or the cane/or the rolled up newpaper" :yikes: for silly things like "talking in class/not doing homework/not applying oneself to the lesson in question" etc .. (I did get the latter off my Dad . and it was actually worse in overall "sting effect" than the other options at the time .. :roll:) But "it did us no harm overall" as it was not carried out with intent to harm .. humilation apart :roll:


In the mean time police are expected to provide resources to protect the named and shamed family against an outraged society ...


whilst the telegraph brings us back to Wildy's original question

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -help.html

WHY did no one visit this lady and listen to her problems over a nice cup of tea and try to at least do something.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... -help.html

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Twenty years ago Mrs Pilkington would have had a much better service than she got in the years leading up to 2007. There were many thousands less police officers. In March this year there were 144,000 police officers. In March 1987 there were 120,000.

We have 24,000 more police officers yet those available for front line policing have been slashed dramatically. I don’t have access to any figures for the amount of officers available for day-to-day policing calls so I can only go by my own experience. In 1987 one division I worked in paraded 18 officers split between 4 police stations. This did not include 3 rural cars which covered the villages, 1 officer in every neighbourhood beat & a rural officers who shared all the villages between them. We put out 9 patrol cars in the division plus a walker in each of the town centres & the police stations were open 24 hours a day.

Now those same 4 towns have a maximum of 8 officers between them, we are lucky if they can put out 5 cars in the whole division, all of the police stations are closed longer than they are open.

Back in the day the village bobby lived on the patch & knew everyone & everything there was to be known. He probably looked after 2 or 3 villages. Every estate had a neighbourhood officer who lived on their patch, they often had a little police office attached to their house, they too knew everyone, they were a vast source of information. What they knew & what they did couldn’t be recorded in an exel spreadsheet yet their value to policing was enormous.

Then someone in a wendy house somewhere decided that the only way to measure the success of an organisation was to match its performance against a written down set of criteria & the way to do this was to count beans. Suddenly, the value of everything was measured in beans & rural/neighbourhood officers didn’t grow any beans on their patches. Add to that the fact that they lived in expensive police houses.

The theory went that if you did away with neighbourhood & rural officers not only could you pull them all back to the nick where they could produce a few beans, you could also save the expense of maintaining their houses, sell them off & plough lots of lovely lolly into all the new & dynamic projects which were about to hit the world of UK policing. We lost a generation of intelligence which we are only now getting back, amazingly enough, through local PCSOs, who will, within a few years, be just as valuable a tool to police intelligence as the old village bobby.

It made good political – read voting – sense to increase the number of bobbies, so every government promised more. More bobbies means more votes ‘cos we all want more bobbies on the streets, only they never made the streets. They all went into disparate little ‘remit’ teams. You know the teams, they are the ones you ask for help when you’re struggling to meet all the frontline priorities who turn round & say “sorry, mate, not my remit”.

So we had the burglary squad, set up to specifically target burglary beans, the robbery squad busy collecting robbery beans, sexual offences squad, paedophile squad, computer crime squad, diversity squad, more officers means more potential for naughty goings-on so the rubber heel squad was boosted. We had the serious crime units, the bloody serious crime units, organised crime, it goes on. Then there are the units who monitor the other units, who count the beans, who supervise those who count the beans, who make sure the right beans are being counted.

So every time an Inspector of Constabulary comes a-calling & says, “now look here Mr Chief Constable, your force is doing particularly low in detections of spanner-wielding credit-card thieves” we have to have a department whose soul aim is to reduce spanner-wielding credit card thefts.

The problem for those on the front line is that most of the calls we get don’t lead to all the remit-beans. Nobody measures the prevention of crime, nobody measures kids who piss up your garage & chuck eggs through your windows, nobody measures depressed people who threaten suicide but never go through with it. You don’t get a bean for sitting outside a row of shops stopping the kids from spitting at people with special needs.

And if they’re not measured, they’re not important.

If the next Inspector of Constabulary comes round & says “Now look here Mr Chief Constable, the behaviour of teenage yobs in this area is apalling, this chart shows a 150% increase in bad language in front of old ladies, get it sorted” you’ll have so many shiny-arses out of their offices that the problem could be sorted in a year.

It ain’t gonna happen, though.


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I have to admit that there's a fair bit of truth in the quoted article. :popcorn:



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Back in the day the village bobby lived on the patch & knew everyone & everything there was to be known. He probably looked after 2 or 3 villages. Every estate had a neighbourhood officer who lived on their patch, they often had a little police office attached to their house, they too knew everyone, they were a vast source of information. What they knew & what they did couldn’t be recorded in an exel spreadsheet yet their value to policing was enormous.



We still have these in a handful of our rural back drops :popcorn: Mostly up North. Southern urban sprawls from London to the Home Counties and to East/West of these areas do not have these any more.

However, like the rural post office and school - these are still under threat :popcorn:


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We lost a generation of intelligence which we are only now getting back, amazingly enough, through local PCSOs, who will, within a few years, be just as valuable a tool to police intelligence as the old village bobby.


So why not upgrade and make them a real police officer with powers of proper arrest? :scratchchin: They cannot hold them without a proper bobbie :banghead: We do try to pair up ours with either a special or a regular (both of whom have powers of arrest and can "stop/search" if sound reason to do so. (We do have the power to stop/serach anyone under the Police Reform Act 2002: we happen to use this thoughtfully without antagonising the public at large. I like to reassure folk that we do the job responsibly)

Sadly we do specialise staff into teams of expertise which does lead to this charge.. of


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“sorry, mate, not my remit”.


and there are the :censored: targets :banghead: - the most meaningless of them being "diversity"
:popcorn: And do not ask me how this gets measured as no one actually knows :banghead: other than it's something to tick a "politically correct target box" :banghead:

As for these kids - be they described as feral . "rat like",
(only TO BE FAIR TO RATS ..(and I had a pet white one as a boy) I am informed by the :neko: who has tested her potents on rats and mice without harming them in any way - that these rodents have a family hub/way of patterned life at heart - which means that she will only trial once certain "safe for the rodent and usually before ttrailling etxensively on humans with their consent in triplicate and in "blood" under some very strict conditions and supervision"

or "dragged up without any appreciation of morals/ethics/manners". they are fast becoming the number one complaint and thus likely to be a "target". Only with kids.. it's a joint thing. Police/society/social workers need parental support and we also should not be afraid to take these kids into care with a view to fostering them with folk like. .. well ... most of those who post very decent and intelligent comments to this messageboard .. kindred spirits to the Mad Cats who - well .. I have to sing their praises here - :bow: but their no nonsense yet "laconically cheerful style" helped many a disturbed child to a steadier and calmer course in life.

We also need to get away from the idea that to tell off a child, firmly but gently, for being a nuisance "harms the child or undermines the parents".. but to see it as as it once was seen to be.. "neighbourly and social helping hand" :popcorn:


OK . old fashioned values.. but they did .. er /. work for generations in the past :popcorn:

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Fiona Pilkington Tragedy: Asbos Clearly Make Crime Worse
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Sadly the horrors of the feral teenagers only comes to light when something like this happens .
Not so long ago in our street we had the situation where a certain group of people got out early ,did what they had to do,got inside and stayed there ,because by then the feral had surfaced to see what amusement they could get by making someone's life miserable .Stand up to them and it could be that your car got damaged ,tyres slashed ,locks damaged or a gang hammering at your windows or worse-maybe even a gang jostling you /shouting obscenities at you as you left the house to go out in the car (which you checked had tyres on and all wheels had tight nuts -one neighbour almost lost a wheel).

You could guarantee that if you did complain to the police /council that no action could be taken - no witnesses .
I have been to countless councillors surgeries,talked to people from nearby to find the same teenage ferals responsible .

Yet had the council involved employed a professional security team - the rot could have been stopped .
The same with ASBOs - great idea - but from my experience -the legal system falls down on the job -council officials/police get the evidence -the yob gets an ASBO -they break it's terms ,the police get evidence and the yob gets all the backing of the legal system to protect "his/her" human rights .And the poor CBO gets to the stage of realising that he's p**ing against the wind and so do his residents.Little wonder that talk is of vigilante groups.Once upon a time I'd have been up for it - Mrs B almost a nervous wreck with the chanting each time we went out ,£600 of damage to my old banger , bloke across the road who had his wheel nuts loosened ,bloke two doors down who like me got a regular visit by eggs /sausage splattered on our windows and footballs/rocks slammed against our windows .
Sorry folks ,rant over - only that I've seen several women in our street have to move out because of similar treatment -so this one in Earl Shilton doesn't surprise me -except that it took so long to happen ,or that it was the victim - I've even had threats of been burnt out for standing up to yobs .
It's not the level /standard of policing that is failing council estates -it's the back up after .
Yob walks up to you and hits you - you don't react - so it expects that it can do that any time it wants. Thump it hard THAT TIME AND ANY TIME IT SHOWS LACK OF RESPECT,and then respect kicks in(I've had one yob who'd pestered me for years attack me - sadly I lost control and almost broke his nose ( I was backed up by evidence from neighbours and cleared of his assault charge ,which the local lads knew was trumped up and was actualy self defence )-suffice to say he has never bothered me since ( don't look good on his terror CV -nose almost broken by OAP-what makes it worse is that a few years ago he got violent with Mrs B ,who thumped him -something he won't admit to ) - it's wolf pack logic and it's seemingly the only thing that this feral lot respect .
The ASBO is the first thump -what is missing is the subsequent thumps or equivalent to re reinforce the message .
Or alternatively that we are the next American state , embracing US laws ,including the right to defend your rights to live peaceable ( and shoot vermin )(well ferals are vermin ,are they not) :shock:

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Indeed botach. We all know that Newlove's killer had been released on bail that very morning by the magistrates' court and disobeyed the court order immediately by travelling to his gang in Warrington. :furious: I think I read that he hassince dropped his appeal against conviction of murdering Mr Newlove on the grounds that he might get "awarded longer" :popcorn:

You are right in that courts and a "human rights policy" which has been twisted by the politically correct fools to protect the rights and make excuses for these kids instead of protecting the human rights of their long suffering victims who are now completely disillusioned by the law that they now fear reporting these crimes for fear of repercussions on the one hand and the total lack of faith in the authorities to show their metal on the other. :roll:


I will say we do do our best - but admit we round up the same young hoodlums week after week .. :banghead: and am beginning to wish we had the "three strikes and long prison stretch" like the USA has in place in several states. :popcorn:

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