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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 14:33 
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Found this on the register

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/25/led_save_energy_not/

Lewis Page for The Register wrote:
Federal boffins in the States say that the brave new future in which today's 'leccy-guzzling lights are replaced by efficient LEDs may not, in fact, usher in massive energy savings.

This is because, according to the scientists' research, people are likely to use much more lighting as soon as this becomes practical. The greater scope for cheap illumination offered by LEDs will simply mean that people have more lights and leave them on for longer.

"Presented with the availability of cheaper light, humans may use more of it, as has happened over recent centuries with remarkable consistency following other lighting innovations," says Jeff Tsao of the Sandia National Laboratory. "That is, rather than functioning as an instrument of decreased energy use, LEDs may be instead the next step in increasing human productivity and quality of life."

According to Tsao and his colleagues at Sandia, the fraction of gross domestic product spent on lighting has remained constant as candles were replaced by oil lamps, then again in the transition to the gaslight era, then yet again with the arrival of electric lighting. What changed with each of these innovations was that lighting became more and more common.

"Over the past three centuries, according to well-accepted studies from a range of sources, the world has spent about 0.72 percent of the world's per capita gross domestic product on artificial lighting," says Tsao. "This is so for England in 1700, in the underdeveloped world not on the grid and in the developed world using the most advanced lighting technologies. There may be little reason to expect a different future response from our species."

In particular, Tsao expects that an ageing population will resort to brighter lighting as its eyesight deteriorates.

"Improvements in light-efficient technologies may not be enough to affect energy shortages and climate change," says Tsao's fellow Sandia boffin Jerry Simmons. "Enlightened policy decisions may be necessary to partner with the technologies to have big impacts."


I wonder if the same conclusion could be drawn for vehicles that cost less to run?

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toltec wrote:
I wonder if the same conclusion could be drawn for vehicles that cost less to run?


are running costs are the restricting factor for 90% of car users ?
how much would costs have to drop to enable those that can't afford it to buy & use a car ?

it's already more convenient, quicker and cheaper than public transport options.
a large amount of air flights you (one) probably wouldn't consider driving anyway.
so i suspect most of those with cars wouldnt use it much more, just those who couldnt afford to use a car at all.

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toltec wrote:
I wonder if the same conclusion could be drawn for vehicles that cost less to run?

In general, cheaper fuel just leads people to drive around the same distance in cars with bigger engines, and vice versa. If engines became more economical without a rise in the price of fuel, it's doubtful whether it would lead to people driving a lot further, although it might produce a marginal difference.

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You are probably both right, particularly as the people that may have an issue with the fuel costs are not likely to be able to afford new (efficient?) cars anyway. I did notice the fuel price rises in 2008/2009 make a difference to motorway traffic, mainly the cruising speeds rather than numbers though.

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