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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Daily Finance hereSurely the UK cannot tolerate this step (if it comes into the UK), without far reaching consequences such as further avoidance of vehicle maintenance and more ? The UK economy would take a hit too and just at the time that we do not need it too. Perhaps it will kill us being in the 'EU' ?

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Hmmmm.
The "veto" went the way of the dodo years ago.
The chance of any of the major parties wanting to leave the EU are nil.
And the MOT is going to be every two years soon (for cars less than eight years old)

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

They just won't learn will they?

A couple of decades ago, when "acid rain" and other exhaust emissions chemicals were public enemy No. 1. the politicians made the maufacturers bin their "learn-burn" projects and fit cats (which got rid of the nasties but made the cars thirstier and produced more CO2 - although it was OK back then because CO2 was "harmless").

Now that we get diesels nice and efficient, and refined, and producing less CO2 AND burning less fuel for the same mileage AND we just start fitting particulate filters to get the particulate emissions down to similar levels to those from petrol enigned cars, they want to shaft the diesel industry to make the thirstier petrol car more attractive!

INSPIRED!!!! I can't believe people in power are so stupid!!!!

Agreed it is engineering solution for the latest political fancy. Why can we not just ask what is good or best and fill the market with all the best solutions and let the public choose by voting with their pockets as to what they prefer. Why do Gov want to always alter or influence what goes on ? It has to be the money driving it somewhere like Oil Companies ?

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Government is about control, irrespective of any need for same.
Once you have the control philosophy initiated you then need the staff.
The staff need paying, so you then need money to pay the staff.
And the control/tax routine becomes a self-sustaining industry.
As the man said: " follow the money "
Diesel at the lowest price station in my town went from 137.9 to 140.9 yesterday.
It's still the lowest, petrol is 133.9.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Well that's just typical .... encorage people to buy diesel cars by telling them CO2 is the very worst thing ever ever, will cause the world to end, and must at all costs be cut down on no matter what .... typically diesel cars produce significantly less C02 than equvilent petrol cars .... then once lots of people have fallen for it .... shaft em .... and shaft em good n proper with a white hot poker. You'll pay lots n lots more and your shiny new vehicle is now virtually worthless ... nice.

If you are in the haulage business just shoot yourself now, they hate & despise you and won't stop even when the debt hounds have their teeth firmly imbedded in your arse, ripped you to shreds and you beg for mercy .... no mercy will be forthcoming anyway, so you might as well just get it over with.

Vehicle manufacturers .... just throw away all that diesel research & technology, bin it, not required, waste of time, forget it, swallow the cost ... ooopss sorry .... did we mislead you? .... oh well never mind all for the best eh? .. there's a good chap.

I imagine lots of folk have bought diesels for a variety of reasons, for anyone doing low milage, cost isn't one of them. Typically I'd recon if you buy a new diesel you'd have to do 100,000 - 120,000 miles before it makes any financial sense as the initial purchase price tends to be a fair whack higher than the equivilent petrol car. I'd recon quite a few bought diesels for environmental reasons, low carbon emmisions & use less fuel, and are actually already sucking up some of the additional expense of buying it in the first place as they are not high milage users. Now they are being told they have to pay more for being thoughtful, more for producing less CO2, more for using less fuel ..... madness.

Wonder where the extra expected revenue generated is earmarked for? ... higher wages for EU workers perhaps? more EU workers as health and safety now demands it takes 7 fully qualified professionals to make one sandwich and a cup of tea, and need a 15 minute rest period every 8 minutes? ... what? ... me? ... cynical? .... surely not!

Welcome to the EU, leave your brain at the door, the lights have already gone out as we can't afford diesel for the generators anymore, last one to leave don't bother to lock the door, there's nothing left worth nicking.

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I remember a trade article a year or so ago suggesting that "Euro 5" would effecivly kill the light/personal diesel market!

The technlogy requred to achieve it would be just so expensive and unreliable as to make small diesel vehicles utterly uneconomic.(They are already pretty close to that, I would not advise a private user to buy a modern diesel car!)

Government strategists will not have been some how caught by surprised by this. Like that "Special bolt" that motor manufacturers always seem to include in their evil designs...(You know, the one that requires you, or your garage, to remove the gearbox and the back axle in order to replace the thermostat (Like on French cars...)) I have no doubt at all that this has all been planned years in advance as yet another stratagy to trap people and subsequently screw money out of them!

Bastards the lot of them!

The sooner that we grab the rope and make use of the few remainig lamposts with those conveniant cross bars on them the better!

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I think your point applies only to small Diesels. The EU thinks that small cars will go electric soon so Diesels will fade anyway. For larger cars and trucks the fuel savings are useful as the cost of the vehicles in petrol and Diesel are pretty much the same. A lot of larger cars are not made in petrol versions now (unless you want a 5 litre V8).

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Malcolm W.
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Hey Dusty, wait 'til you see Euro 6...(!) It's getting the dilithium crystals that's the problem!

My biggest reservation about buying a second hand diesel these days is that I wouldn't know if the previous owner had been trying to run it on "chip fat". I'm sure, as the recession bites, that more and more people will try that, and relatively low value second hand diesels will become absolute nightmares!

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing