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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 10:32 
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Technology that allows cars to snoop on motorists and tell insurers about their bad driving will form a worldwide market worth $14.4bn (£8.95bn) by 2016, analysts reckon.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/15/telematics_industry_worth_billions/

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The Register - By Brid-Aine Parnell wrote:
Spy under your car bonnet 'worth billions by 2016'
By Brid-Aine Parnell • 15th May 2012 08:32 GMT

Break the speed limit, break the bank with your insurance quote

Technology that allows cars to snoop on motorists and tell insurers about their bad driving will form a worldwide market worth $14.4bn (£8.95bn) by 2016, analysts reckon.

A new report from Juniper Research suggests intelligent vehicles chock-full of gear for navigating, recording info for insurance purposes, and telling the AA exactly where you broke down on the M25 will bring in the big bucks as newer telematics units can be stuffed into motors as an afterthought.
Firms touting the technology will expand into new countries and extend their product lines, although the US will have the most clever vehicles, Juniper said.
The ball-gazers also reckon that every new car model will have a way to hook up punters' smartphones by 2016, putting 92 million internet-connected jalopies on the road.

The most well-known form of smartening up cars is GPS navigation from the likes of TomTom and Garmin, but telematics is now doing a lot more. Fitting gadgets to delivery vans, for example, allows managers to monitor their employees fleet for more efficiency.

Car location services are handy not just for your breakdown service but also for police if your gas guzzler is stolen, and insurers are starting to use telematics to monitor good and bad driving to give better rates to careful law-abiding folks - while everyone else's prices presumably go up. ®

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It will be interesting to see how these devices will detect the most common form of bad driving - poor awareness.

They just really just mean "speed".

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malcolmw wrote:
It will be interesting to see how these devices will detect the most common form of bad driving - poor awareness.

They just really just mean "speed".
Told as it is Malcolm :)

Head, nail, hit!

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IIRC it also included braking ... They are thinking that if you brake hard you must be 'behaving badly' therefor they can 'judge'.
:( What a total failure of comprehension of safe travelling.

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It would probably categorise a RoSPA Gold driver doing a demonstration drive but aiming to make good progress as "extremely dangerous" :x

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There really is no substitute for ensuring that motorists have the right tools in the tool-box to start with to enable them to improve by themselves than consider in vehicle data to establish if someone is 'good'! They are measuring only a tiny fraction of the maths than all that is really going on and so far from the truth that are missing the point by a long, long way !

Another issue is that where navigation is helping people be less distracted as they drive (being told where to go than look for street names or route notes), they will turn off devices to avoid this intrusion that doesn't prove anything anyway !

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Exactly, these devices aren't going to tell insurance companies if the person driving is the sort that travels too close to the car in front, wanders over double white lines on country bends, pulls out of junctions when other vehicles are too close, overtakes when not safe to do so, overtakes pedestrians, horses and bicycles dangerously on country roads, goes through red traffic lights, drives without sufficient lighting in bad visibility, drives too fast for bad conditions, etc.,etc.

But then again, it's only "speed that kills"....isn't it???

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Not only speed.
Many say they only do a few thousand miles a year. That'll be them looking for new insurance.
Many state they never drive at night/early hours. That'll be them looking for new expensive insurance.
Many never drive motorways, or at night, ever. So that'll be them not getting any insurance any time soon, as soon as they notice the lies.
The real killer though is going to be exactly who gets to see and use the data from the installed systems.
Doubtless a prospective purchaser would like to know the "one-owner-never-raced" has had several maniacs driving it.

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It may allow Insurance Companies to better see who is and is not (given all the new data) crashing and not and then show them that some of the 'times of driving' you mention, may have little to do with when they have accidents anyway !
Can't say that I have ever been asked about motorway driving ever, nor day / night either.
So they will go through all of this, and in doing so will reduce people's privacy further, and very probably lose people's data too, at some point, all to end up going full circle and come back to what they have in the first place, to 'all the original concepts' of safe driving. That is, that it matters how the person controls a vehicle, their experience, the time of day that they typically drive, (density of traffic), that all these points, help towards reducing (many) accidents.

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jomukuk wrote:
Not only speed.
Many say they only do a few thousand miles a year. That'll be them looking for new insurance.
Many state they never drive at night/early hours. That'll be them looking for new expensive insurance.
Many never drive motorways, or at night, ever. So that'll be them not getting any insurance any time soon, as soon as they notice the lies.
The real killer though is going to be exactly who gets to see and use the data from the installed systems.
Doubtless a prospective purchaser would like to know the "one-owner-never-raced" has had several maniacs driving it.



But now it seems that the OFT has decided to investigate the insurance "racket" .To many claims for injuries/courtesy cars etc. Perhaps now the insurance companies might want to look at themselves than at their customers .

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