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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 13:52 
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Many years ago I was double ended in a relatively low speed shunt. The crumple zones worked as the car bent on the rear axle, and the rear hatch buckled into the boot space. For some time ,I've seen kids in seats to the rear of the main seats in MPV, and often wondered when these vehicles are NCAP tested , what constitutes the passenger cage? Personally I shudder to think of the consequences of a rear ender on one of these .

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 01:50 
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I found these links :
http://www.euroncap.com/small_mpv.aspx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90UDhKsXGjA

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/five-st ... -3/1213655

http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_home.jsp

Certainly I'd be ultra observant if I ever had any passengers in a twin rear seat in the boot area!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:25 
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Haven't looked at models to see if areas are specified,but on my own car for example, it only specifies adults and passengers, but not areas inside the car. I was thinking of crumple zones ,and if the rear area took this into account. It's not just kids in the back , as I often see a lot of dogs in cages in the rear of hatches and estates .

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 00:05 
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I drive precisely just such a velociped! You'll notice that the EuroNCAP tests don't involve a rear impact on the car itself. (The whiplash tests are only conducted using seats mounted on a sled, out of the vehicle). Similarly, there is no mandatory rear impact test as part of European Type Approval.

As ever, the Germans are ahead of the game (at least their consumers are!) and have done exaclty what Botach proposes. (not pretty)!

http://motoren.wordpress.com/2011/02/22 ... of-an-mpv/

Can't remember whether the USA requires rear impact tests but I don't think it does.

Obviously, rear impacts re less common than frontal or side impacts and, when you scratch the surface of those, they're are actually a fair few flaws in them compared to real life anyway. So you pays your money and you takes your choice. We don't use the third row of seats that often - usually when the kids bring too many friends home. Like everything else though, how safe do we want to be? How safe is "safe enough"? How much do we want to pay (not just purchase price but running costs and practicalities) for whatever level of safety we deem "sufficient"? Defensive driving still has to be the first line of defence I think. I love my old Alfa, but it has no airbags, seat belt pre-tensioners or Electronic Stability Control. If safety was my No. 1 priority, I wouldn't drive it!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:24 
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I'd never thought of rear impacts ,till I had my first,and discovered that the rear could concertina. I've always driven to late dad's set of rules- "better a live coward than a dead hero", which is allied to defensive driving .Easier and simpler to let Mr important have right of way( even if you have right of way than argue about who's got right of way. Cheaper too, as it might be classed as a 50/50 claim).
But now any person /pet stays inside the passenger cage. Side impacts might be more common, but I'd suggest a rear ender with kids/pets in the rear could be more damaging. In my case I was shunted by following car and again by following car after it was hit by another who failed to stop. All right- damage was to my pet, but with a MPV it could be a kid in rear seats. It was traumatic enough to have a pet die after a rear ender, but imagine if it was a child, and the consequences don't show up for some months. Now ,unless I'm caught out, I always stop in a hurry, well short of car in front ( especially if following vehicle is close), then remove brakes and slow slowly . I create a gap in front to move into ,or out of to give me a safety spaces.

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