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 Post subject: The great brain drain
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:19 
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According to the British Office of National Statistics, 191,000 Britons emigrated in 2003, and Britain still provides the largest percentage of Australia's skilled migrants every year. In 2003-2004 Australia welcomed upwards of 18,000 British nationals to its shores.


Just wanted to share this with you.

I may be getting a bit long in the tooth bit I hope to be able to bail out one day.

Day by day this country finds new ways to p*ss me off.

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Don't go to the heavy population areas of Australia though, they are even more anal about speeding than the UK is.

I have considered it several times, but the question is then where? With more investigation many places have as many, if not more problems than we do here.

Consider the "Land Grab" in certain areas of Spain where developers can decide that your property is in the way of the new development, take most of your land from you with no compensation, and then send you a bill for your contribution to the new facilities such as paying for the road they are going to build over your swimming pool.

Can anyone think of a good place to emigrate to?


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The Ozark mountains in Northern Arkansas

You will have the best set of teeth for a hundred miles... :wink:

They still have a form of prohibition though. Alcahol sales are illegal.

Nice people though. A slow pace of life. And you can get a massive house and a few acres of land for less than £40K... :D

If you need medical treatment you can always fly back to the UK.

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The Northern Territory in Australia aren't anything like as barking about speed as other parts of Oz. The only problem is getting used to two seasons - hot and dry, and hot and wet :) . Actually anywhere fairly rural and you can find yourself a very long way from the nearest cop or camera. There's so much of it and so few people (even fewer of whom are police) Iit's not hard to find somewhere for an enjoyable drive without worrying too much about a speed obsessive with a camera pinging you. I imagine the same applies to New Zealand, which is supposed to be much more like a southern hemisphere Britain than Australia is (or so say the Kiwis I've known). Lot's of parts of the US could be good - I fell in love with Alaska some years ago. Great place for road trips through eye-popping scenery, and again it's not hard to get a very long way from the nearest plod and enjoy your driving again. Best at the moment from the speed obsession point of view could be Canada. At least one province, British Columbia I think, has found cameras unsatisfactory and gone back to proven methods. But if going to migrate just to live somewhere with sane road policing you might as well move to Durham. Do Berlitz do a Geordie phrasebook?

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There's only the beer and Yorkshire pudding keeping me here.


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There's only the beer and Yorkshire pudding keeping me here.


There's just a serious lack of hard cash keeping me here.


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If you want to emigrate, then make sure you pay your fixed penalty fines so you don't acquire criminal convictions from going to court and losing. I've never been 100% sure of what the situation is, but the best I've been able to gather is that Canada, for example, will not let you in with two unspent summary convictions, which is what you'd get from two speeding offences that you unsuccessfully contested in court.

Perhaps it's part of a strategy to combat the brain drain?!!


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There's only the beer and Yorkshire pudding keeping me here.



Ouch/ouch - mrs B saw my reply


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Gatsobait wrote:
Iit's not hard to find somewhere for an enjoyable drive without worrying too much about a speed obsessive with a camera pinging you.

the only problem with that theory is that they have mobile radar attached to police vehicles that regularly patrol the roads. Motorways are especially good as they're a guaranteed source of revenue.
2am, middle of nowhere, dead straight road... yep you guessed it. Good thing I wasn't driving at the time. My co-driver got done for 120 in a 100 zone . Hardly braking any land speed records but he got the full lecture on how he was a reckless maniac - and the fine/points to go with it.


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John, close to cities and large towns, yes. And, as you say, the freeways are a tempting place for Ocker scammers to hang around. But from personal experience I found plenty of cop-free zones about. We did the Great Ocean Road and didn't see any, possibly because so much of it is too twisty to speed much without ending up in the sea (I expect them to concentrate on places where it's safe to speed rather than areas where the hazards encourage most drivers to be cautious, just like here really). Lots of interesting back roads in Gippsland and I'll bet the plod all stick to the main highway. Perth to Albany, miles and miles of empty roads. And I'm told in NT they don't have limits at all, so that's a huge area for hassle free driving. Having said all that, the camper van we hired could only just break 110kph ina head wind and could just nudge 120 without. To go much faster would have involved chucking it off a cliff, so I don't think we'd have attracted much attention even if e had passed a radar equipped plod. :)

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But from personal experience I found plenty of cop-free zones about.

just because you didn't see any doesn't mean they're not lurking - they really do hide in the bushes. Apparently the current crackdown is on the backroads as they've finally worked out that's where people are going for a bit of fun.

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And I'm told in NT they don't have limits at all, so that's a huge area for hassle free driving.

You're right, there are no limits outside of the towns. All you have to worry about are camels, roos, buffalo, emu, cows, crocs...


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johnsher wrote:
All you have to worry about are camels, roos, buffalo, emu, cows, crocs...


No problems, Just keep you gun rack well stocked.

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And fit Roo Bars... :steering:


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And fit Roo Bars... :steering:

that would look great on the <insert sportscar name> :)


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And fit Roo Bars... :steering:


They did in parts of Africa on Landrovers - trouble is that Kudu are cab high - if you hit one on a Landy it tends to flatten the roof.
God eating though. :roll:


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According to the British Office of National Statistics, 191,000 Britons emigrated in 2003, and Britain still provides the largest percentage of Australia's skilled migrants every year. In 2003-2004 Australia welcomed upwards of 18,000 British nationals to its shores.


Just wanted to share this with you.

I may be getting a bit long in the tooth bit I hope to be able to bail out one day.

Day by day this country finds new ways to p*ss me off.



Gizmo, I've got just the place for you!

Watched that: "place in the sun" thing today (rare for me).

How does a Hollywood style house with a HUGE!!!!!! swiming pool, facing the sea with palm tree's swaying in the breeze sound..................all for £154,000......................


Where is it?










Thailand! (I kid you not)

Nice homes from £30,000 upwards :) and cheap as chips!


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And fit Roo Bars... :steering:


They did in parts of Africa on Landrovers - trouble is that Kudu are cab high - if you hit one on a Landy it tends to flatten the roof.
God eating though. :roll:


Definitely - Kudu taste great, although I prefer the small gazelle, such as Thompson's. :stirthepot: Ostrich, Zebra etc are also good, but I am not so keen on Crocodile though.

How about South Africa as a destination? Obviously it's great for holidays, but like Australia, you always end up talking to people desperate to get out.


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Isn't South Africa going to hell in a handcart though? In 20 years it'll probably look a lot like Zimbabwe (at least from the AIDS point of view).

Personally I have a small list of future places to look into:

France/Germany
Eastern Europe eg. Slovenia, Estonia
"Blue" US states eg. Oregon/Washington, NE
Warm parts of Canada
Christchurch, New Zealand

And I'm only 20 :oops:

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I'm just waiting for the missus to complete her Uni course and I'm off to Canada, and I can't bloody wait!

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"Blue" US states eg. Oregon/Washington, NE

:? Blue being...?

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