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Hi all,

I noticed on the very politicized met office website that they are starting to consider some real-and significant-facts about the climate change debate instead of the usual scaremongering (get out of your cars!).

Maybe the cold snap has given them a bit of a red face (aptly) and this article is to redress the balance and ignite the debate, which would be good as we could do with some hot air just now!

http://www.met-office.gov.uk/corporate/ ... 1121c.html

21 November 2005

Predictions of future climate change have, until now, been based on simulations of the effects of increasing greenhouse gases. However, new results show we could learn more about climate in the next few decades by supplementing these with predictions of a natural climate cycle: the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation or AMO.

The AMO is a climate fluctuation which occurs over several decades, whose warm and cool phases can be traced back in global records dating from the 19th century. Its effects are centred on the North Atlantic Ocean, but it appears to influence many parts of the Northern Hemisphere. Scientists have previously found links with European and North American climate, drought in the semi-arid African Sahel region, and the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes. Indeed, the record 2005 hurricane season is part of the very active last decade associated with the current warm AMO phase.

To test whether the AMO is a permanent feature of our climate, Met Office scientists, with colleagues in the United States, examined a 1,400-year climate model calculation. They discovered that not only could the AMO be accurately simulated by their model, but that it is a genuine long-lived climate oscillation.

The Met Office team then tried to link the AMO to variations in the strength of the thermohaline circulation (THC) — the global ocean circulation driven by differences in the density of sea water — and found that the next AMO transition may bring natural THC weakening, adding to that projected to occur as a result of human-induced climate change.

A paper, soon to be published in the American Geophysical Union's journal Geophysical Research Letters, highlights these recent breakthroughs, and recommends that shifts in the AMO are taken into account in future climate change predictions.


Regards


Andrew[/b]

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So they after all have discovered what others have been saying is true -that the weather goes in cycles ( the RTTM of weather , sort of ), and that all their previous talk was hot air.

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

They have to have an excuse for the cold weather but as soon as it goes we will be right back to greenhouse gasses. lets stick all the doom mongers in greenhouses and we will get rid of the gas problem!

Anyone for cocoa tonight?



Regards


Andrew

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Junk science will always unravel sooner or later. Here's hoping it's happening sooner.

Cross your fingers.

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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Well knock me down with a feather. Hold the front page of the late edition.

Meanwhile, they still can't manage to tell us what the weather is going to do tomorrow.

Don't be too hard on the poor old Met Office they do try hard. If you live in the UK you should expect some very un-predictable weather.

But at last word is getting out about cyclic change in our climate and the fact that it is perfectly natural and has been going on for millions of years.

Hoorah

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They're just covering their backsides.
They know full well that the predicted harsh winter doesn't sit easily with the AGW theory, so they're pre-emptively explaining it away whilst holding onto all their cards.

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And how they're milking the prediction -

Britain about to be blasted by snow, sleet and hail is the bit in the times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 69,00.html

Should make the Highways agency blokes happy - all that loverly overtime , just in time for xmas

All i'm asking is that the pillocks that can't drive on slippery roads leave their car at home .
Perhaps some skid pan testing should be part of the driving test

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

slighty off original topic but same vein of thought. Brrr freeze.

At the first flurry of snow, a chilly morning or freezing conditions - before the local councils have time to finish off their bacon butties & tea, motorists everywhere turn into olympic skaters - even though it happens every year! The skidding out of control isn't so much a problem in terms of quantity of accidents. It's the oops! my nose slid four feet into the road full of oncoming traffic that can't stop either. (Thank you ABS for getting me round these numpties!)

And I bet every garage and 24hr supermarket will be sold out of de-icer & screenwash the first night it snows! Never fails!

At the bottom of my road (about a 1 in 4 gradient) there are at least 2 or 3 impacts every year. And it's damn near impossible to get back up the hill either! FWD or RWD! - Calls for lots of grit and careful clutch feathering!

A good product from a few years ago is 'pre-de-icer' kinda a 'night-before' affair if frost / snow is expected. Contains a lot of glycerine I think so forms a water soluble barrier on the glass. Works great, and is much better than IPA based de-icer which justs lets the melted water re-freeze.

I miss my heated front screen Why was it only Ford seem to do them?

ps. I love winter driving. Especially in the Highlands when it's stopped snowing - stunning scenery! (I'm not being sarcastic.) Just have to watch out for the muppets trying to keep up dry condition speeds...well it IS SAFE to be at the NSL, so why shouldn't they be? After all - it's SPEED KILLS...not bad driving, or unforseen circumstances, or failing to take into account prevailing road conditions....ad nauseam.

Thanks andys280176

pulling away from the lights in my 4WD while some muppet in an XR3 spins his wheels furiously in two inches of snow trying to race me is the funniest thing...

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There's an ad on TV at the moment asking about "your carbon footprint"

BP AD
Looks like BP trying to say "oh yes we were the bad ones, but now we know different, lets try to change things" - still goes on about global warming caused by carbon etc etc.

Now i doubt very much if the people on Bodmin Moor are convinced about global warming

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I'm with you there.

Another thing that pee's me off, I have a 53 plate vectra, and it has shiny toys like cruise control, auto dim rear mirror, follow me home lights, more airbags than you can shake a stick at.

Guess what it doesn't have (I think a very important safety feature) - heated washer jets.

On Wednesday, I was trying to clear the crap from the windscreen whilst driving with great difficulty, and I really cursed this. I amped up the screenwash to 50%, and its not freezing as badly in the jets now. But if it gets colder they will undoubtable freeze again.

How on earth can such a basic system that could be considered to be a critical safety item be missed in favour of other shiny toys?

Comments invited on that

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