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Noticed this in CheshireOnline

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Do they really think that someody who is driving a £200 shed is really going to care in the very highly unlikely event that they are pulled?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

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This one in the North Wales Pioneer



That'll be a hefty fine if you've been away for two weeks and had your car stolen.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Yes. These policies are hopeless. They can't possible sieze anywhere near enough vehicles to make a difference. 200,000 siezures a year (absolute max), can't make a dent in 2 million uninsured drivers. Especially when most of the seizures are £100 throw-aways.

I conclude that it's an attempt to Police by bluff. They must be hoping that people will dash out and buy insurance because of the threat. Trouble is that even that dubious 'benefit' has the much more significant side effect of undermining confidence in justice and the Police. The trouble with bluffs is that they get called.

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Paul Smith
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I feel that "no insurance" should have a potential maximum sentence of 5 years custodial.
Note, I said potential. This would NOT be imposed if, say, it was subsequently proven to have been a genuine cock-up by your insurance company, which through no fault of yours left you briefly uninsured (happened to me- bought a new bike and changed insurance companies, outgoing company cancelled cover 24hrs too soon- and I got the cancellation letter AFTER the end date, so I was totally unaware).
Let's imagine that I've been knocked off my bike and badly mangled by a consciously-uninsured driver. I'm not dead, so the mortgage isn't paid off; because of my impairment/disability we now have increased outgoings, and we have lost my income. And the guilty party is ordered to pay my wife something like £5 a month?
Perhaps the threat of a nice long time meeting interesting people in the shower block would be more of a deterrent.

I feel the potential penalty is less of a deterent than that of actually being caught - after all they dont EXPECT to be caught, which is why they do it.

Put the notice of insurance and MOT on the car like the tax disc - it works on the continent!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Agreed.

Great idea - means that the hiding places get less by the day.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Guilty until proven innocent and only 14 days to get your documentation together.

Who has ever gotten an insurance company to do *anything* within 14 days of you asking you to do something other than that which involves them taking money from your credit card.

And don't get me started on the DVLA response times.

Hopefully someone will challenge this in court with a reasonable explanation for the delay and make the police buy them a new car.

"Vehicles can be seized by a uniformed officer if he has reasonable grounds to believe a driver is not covered. If the driver cannot prove he is covered there and then, the car can be seized immediately. "

So much for police advice not to keep things like MOT/Insurance docs in the car, in case of theft. You either carry them in the car and risk a thief breaking in and stealing them or leave them at home and risk the police "stealing" your car.
And in the case of a break in - whats the odds of the police doing nothing.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

And exactly where are you going to put these people?

Even if you do find a hole to put them in, it is going to cost you (the taxpayer) £500 a week to keep them there.

And let us not forget that if you start to "up the ante" in the sentencing stakes, then you are also "upping the ante" in the expected behaviour stakes as well.

For example, Joe Bloggs is driving down the road with no insurance and he now sees the "blues & two's" in his mirror.
Currently he will pull over and try to "blag it".

Offer him the alternative of a 5 stretch and he is going to put his foot down & attempt to evade capture (thereby putting many more at risk).

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Christ, there's no pleasing some people. If your car's insured, it will be on the insurance database. If you've got a licence, then it will be on the DVLA Database. Both can be checked instantly.
If you've got a licence and insurance, then you've got nothing to worry about. We've seized loads of cars, including some expensive ones. Anything that gets these types off the road is bonus. And a vast number of un-insured drivers also happen to be active criminals. But then again, we don't do anything about them, do we!

Presumably if he proves he is insured within 7 days, as the law allows, he will have his car delivered back to him, and he will be fully compensated for the loss of its use?



I guess not then. All the familiar hallmarks of a money making scam.

I have access to over 30 cars that currently register as "uninsured", so you are wrong there.


My business partner would beg to differ with that.
You do a check on him & he comes back as having no license, simply because DVLA have his month & date of birth in reverse order.


Famous last words....see above!


Wrongly take one of our cars and it will cost you a lot more than you ever thought

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

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My car is insured. under a corporate policy taken out by my employer.

there is no paperwork that links my specific vehicle to the policy but i am insured.

i'm looking forward to the compensation claim that i will bring against those who crush my car.

The fleet manager should have a login to the MIIC - all fleet policies are supposed to keep the MIIC database up to date with the vehicles they cover.

Gareth

Having had two experiences of the DVLA failing to keep proper records of vehicles of mine, I have no faith that anything they do is infallable.

On the second occasion, despite the fact that I had evidence originating from them, namely an excise licence issued to my vehicle, with the registration recorded on it, they had no record of the vehicle as being registered under that registration number, (it had previously been on a "cherished plate" with the previous owner) and instead had the previous owners NEW car, and his OLD car (now ours) recorded with the same registration.

They told me that this was impossible, yet their own paper trail PROVED it was so.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I wonder if there are different groups of workers within the DVLA that deal with different areas? It could explain why your registrations get messed up but all mine have been fine.