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DRIVERS caught by Lancashire's ever-growing number of speed cameras could see their convictions quashed after a probe was launched by the police's watchdog.
The calibration – or set-up – of mobile speed cameras in the county has been questioned following a routine audit of the force's central processing unit (CPU).

Now the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has been called in to oversee a probe into two irregularities relating both to cameras and processing of court documents.

The police authority has also vowed to root out any unprofessional behaviour or misconduct which may have taken place.

It appears some cameras may have been set up wrongly, thereby giving an incorrect reading.

This possibility has led to a review of cases which could see some prosecutions being dropped, or convictions reversed.

But Lancashire Police says the review should not be a green light for drivers to challenge their convictions or pending prosecutions and have refused to reveal the locations of the cameras.

But the force has vowed to inform by letter anyone who might have been affected.

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In a statement, a spokesman said: "The Constabulary recognises there may be some members of the public who will have questions surrounding their specific cases.

"We will contact any individuals whose cases may need to be reviewed as a result of the potential irregularities being identified and at the conclusion of the IPCC enquiry.

"Unless advised otherwise, people should assume their ticket was issued correctly and follow the instructions."

Mobile speed cameras have to be calibrated to measure the distance over which a vehicle travels and the speed it travels to determine if it was speeding.

If these calculations are done incorrectly, a ticket could be wrongly issued.

Naseem Malik , IPCC Commissioner for the North West, said the IPCC would manage Lancashire's investigation over allegations that a member of staff had incorrectly calibrated mobile speed cameras and that four members of staff had failed to correctly process documents required by courts.

He said: "It is important that a thorough and timely investigation is conducted to ensure confidence is restored in the important work of this unit."

Trish McGirr, chair of the Professional Standards Committee for Lancashire Police Authority, which oversees the Constabulary, added credit should go to the Professional Standards Department for their work on this case.

She said: "Their actions emphasise that unprofessional behaviour or misconduct of any kind will not be tolerated.

"The Police Authority is satisfied the robust procedures in place are working pro-actively to ensure that the highest standards of delivery are upheld."
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Wonder if this was prompted by the Southern Kent cases :roll:

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This story was also in the Lancs Evening Post last night - http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Drivers-could-get-speeding-fines.3419602.jp

They reckon 100-200 cases, but I bet it's just the tip of the iceberg :roll:

Good news really - anything which further destroys confidence in the scam system :lol:

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She said: "Their actions emphasise that unprofessional behaviour or misconduct of any kind will not be tolerated



HMMM- with the Kent thing about mobiles-are we seeing the Police turning on the SCP as the PR thingy goes sour and public relations between public and police drop to rock bottom ??

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Here's the real story without the Police Standards hype!!!
Press Release 27th October 2007


Is it for road safety?
With the announcement that the IPCC is to manage a police investigation into Blackburn CTO I present the following:

As the owner of a vehicle that gets zapped by a speed camera, you know that, the robots are there to improve road safety? No! More like cash cow facility!
Please read on:
You admit responsibility, name the driver (if another), go to court or request a picture to jog your memory. As from this summer the fee is no longer £10 in Lancashire. Not cost effective.

It appears that in Lancashire some 25% of issued tickets (Fixed Penalty Notices) in 2005/6 disappeared.
No one fined, not excused through extenuating circumstances, not on a speed awareness course, not processed through the courts. That's around £1.5 million not to mention the 25,000 drivers left with fewer penalty points, some of whom are a danger to themselves and also the rest of the public. This cannot really be in the interests of road safety.

Lancashire Road Safety Partnership is a collection of agencies, councils and emergency services including the Lancashire Police. Its board members have failed to control the operation. Indeed perhaps even the County Council is not fully aware of what is going on at the central ticket office, yet they are partners, actually they are the treasurer.

We, as charge payers in this County, together with anyone who travels through or visits the area, surely must expect that something so dear to our well-being is being professionally run. After all during 2005/2006 a staggering £4.5 million was levied on speeding drivers by this Road Safety Partnership. But only the ones who didn’t challenge the ticket are the direct source of this income!
On top of this were the fines imposed by the courts, figures unknown. A further income of £1.5 million was generated into the coffers of Lancashire County Council by way of speed awareness courses plus the undisclosed income from supply of photographs at £10.00 a time! Not to mention the amount paid into the legal system from prosecution and defence of the alleged offences, by way of costs and increased fines for contesting the ticket.
Every penny of this from members of the public’s already previously taxed income!
There needs to be a FULL investigation carried out into the operation of the Lancashire Road Safety ‘club’ and not just for the 2005/2006 'season'. Public confidence has to be restored and any officials responsible taken to task. A full audit of the finances which are claimed to have been checked by the Audit Commission should take place.
This presumably is done by the N West auditor responsible for Councils & police.
- Are they audited, checking all the numbers? Who carries this out? Nobody seems to know – Not even the audit Commission!!

We cannot have a quango in this country in which one person is prosecution, judge, jury, and operates with a self imposed 'gungho attitude’, holding motorists to ransom, deciding who gets prosecuted or which prosecutions disappears, without accountability. This is a doorway to corruption!
Road Safety is one of the most important facilities anywhere; run professionally it saves our lives, and reduces a drain on NHS services, releases fire & ambulance crews, helps stop lives being wrecked. Yet run as a cash guzzling sideline, managed with a god like regime, with few checks & balances- We all loose out.
Even the Government who received the surpluses under the previous netting out system appears to have been shortchanged by an incredible £1.5 million of taxpayers’ money every year. Incidentally speeding prosecutions must commence within six months. But any instances of collusion, conspiracy or criminal actions will still be on the books.

The announcement in late October 2007 of an investigation managed by the IPCC was triggered innocently enough by a challenged speeding ticket issued November 2006 to a Preston driving school, North Western Driver Training Centre. Most people going to court instruct a lawyer, however in this case, the charged named keeper did not have a solicitor.
Thus the Crown Prosecution sent the evidence file to the named keeper. This file included numerous suspect documents, all copies. One should add that whilst copies are normal practise, the actual originals must always be available to study. In this case magistrates had to order the originals to be produced by Blackburn central ticket office to be studied by the defence’s document expert. All the defence costs being funded from the public purse, in the public interest.

Some of the problems could have been going on for years.
Lawyers in the past must have, as is reasonable, believed that the evidence file was kosher. Now that doubts and concerns have been voiced in open court hearings as to the authenticity of documentation and procedures, emanating from Blackburn CTO, it is the responsibility of the IPCC to ensure that all doubts and concerns are openly clarified regarding every prosecution or failure to prosecute, whatever the cost..

Therefore we must all hope the IPCC will not stop at checking on recent practises -
But go back to the start of when drivers were being 'stuffed' by Lancashire Police
& the Road Safety Partnership – operating under the guise of making Lancashire roads safer.

Lancashire Police Standards claim that they discovered the “problems” during an internal investigation. But were they pushed into it (see attachment) and under what complaint were they conducting this investigation?

Attachment available here. It's a copy of a letter from Nigel Evans MP To Jack Straw that kicked it all off!!! Lancashire Constabulary have been fighting over a year to cover up what is going on at Blackburn!
http://rapidshare.com/files/65580990/jack1.pdf


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:welcome: :clap:

A very nice first post, putting into words what I tried to do in my previous post.

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Thank you.
The case referred to is at Chorley Magistrates on the 31st October and is being defended "in the public interest", and funded by legal aid as a prosecution relying on forged documentation supplied by Blackburn CTO to the Crown Prosecution. These documents have been presented in three previous hearings and are now in the public domain and they have all been debated in open court before the public and local and national press representatives.


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I bet this is rife across the country :(

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So the IPCC (The Investigatory Protector of Conning Con _ stabularies?) refuse to reveal which camera/s have been fiddled! Why?

Because they would be inundated with enquiries!!
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Silence-over- ... 3421850.jp
No! they ask us to trust the very police force under investigation to contact us! Trust me I'm a copper!
Even without starting the investigation they are claiming "human error" in their Press Release!
They say 200 could be affected! How do they know.
What's wrong with releasing the camera/s reference number/s and letting the agrieved public contact their legal representatives to check their paperwok and prepare their claim; or even contact the press.

How about a recall advertisement in the national press! Even toy manufacturers do this when they find " an error" in production!!!

However the fact that four members of staff are under investigation for failing to correctly process court documents which could involve hundreds of thousands of cases, involving millions of pounds is much more serious in my view!This could even apply to the poor members of the public who just coughed up assuming that the paperwork was processed correcly!!
After all we don't know what they mean by " failure to process court documents". I believe four persons acting together would be very difficult to excuse as simply " an error".
Is this failure to process "an error" or were they directed to operate in this manner to get more convictions?
Why did IPCC & Police not, as is usual, syndicate their press release outside of Lancashire? After all millions of people from outside Lancashire have been involved over the last six years!!!
However not to prejudge, after all speeding cameras bring in too much
revenue, and ,after all, they are administered through the con - stabulary! So just trust us, don't ask too many questions and we'll
work on damage limitation and restore the public's trust in speed
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Something seems to be missing on this review of the NIP,s issued supposedly in error.

Would or could there not be an additional charge against the CTO,s and those responsible of "Perverting the Course of Justice" which as far as I remember carries a substantial jail term!

Or are we going to see a classic example of"Double Standards" as if a driver chose to issue a false statement to the Police / CTO,s / Courts etc. then they would very likely face charges of "Perverting the Course of Justice" as happened to a motorist some time ago.

I wonder how many cases will be looked at and reprieved plus the inevitable costs and also why the reticence to "name & shame" the cameras / operators responsible could it be to stop the floodgates opening to fairness and accountability!!!!!!!!!!

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This post has got me thinking.....(dangerous I know). :)

We Motorist types have to, by law, display what I STILL call a Road Tax disc despite the Governments obvious reticence to call it that (for fear of ridicule) like us asking where is it all going then? This to ensure that we have the relevant Insurance, MOT etc... It is an offence, in itself, NOT to display it, even if you have it!

Employers, by law Have to display to their workforce that they have a current Insurance Policy for their employees H&S liability. Likewise as above......... If you DON'T display it....... You can be heavily fined.

There are many other examples of this which of course you will know.

So WHY are "speed cameras" exempt? They DON'T display their national number as they do on the Continent where it's painted on the road and becomes part of the photograph. They DON'T display a current signed & dated certificate of calibration for you to check!.....

Yet they expect us to: "Just pay up or else" ........ 'cos we say so or we'll make it worse for ya!

We shouldn't have to "plead" cap in hand for them to give us this information....... It should be there for ALL to see.

Like we all always suspected, the camera scam is just a licence for Local Authorities to print money instead of it coming from the Treasury and "road safety" was NEVER part of the equation!

And DON'T you ever DARE to challenge them!

GRRrrr!.......... :x


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Update to investigation:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16211


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Just received from IPCC! I'm confused! Are they managing the investigation into failure to process court documents or not? Can U help?

Dear Sir / Madam,

Thank you for your email.

The IPCC is not involved with this matter, therefore I suggest you contact the relevant police force directly.

Kind regards,
Enquiries Team
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Tel: 020 7166 3097
Fax: 020 7166 3390
Minicom: 020 7404 0431
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Subject: Blackburn CTO Investigation
Would this be possible to bring to the attention of the managing representative of the investigation?
Check out this thread on LEP website:
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Learner-drive ... 0#comments

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I think they are saying complan to the local force and only contact them of that complaint is mis handled
forom the ipcc web site
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If you have made a complaint against the police and you are not happy with the way it has been handled you may be able to appeal to the IPCC. There are three types of appeal, each type applies at different stages of the complaints process, on different grounds, and with different consequences. Please read our information about making an appeal to ensure that you complete the correct appeal form to avoid a delay with the process.

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According to their press release they are managing an inquiry into failure to process court documents!
This was an example of failing to process!
Are they managing an investigation or not?


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Latest from the IPCC! An opology!
Dear Sir / Madam,

Thank you for your reply.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is managing two investigations into alleged irregularities at Lancashire Constabulary’s Central Processing Unit. Apologies for the initial misunderstanding, as requested your email has been passed to the relevant team.

Kind regards,
Amanda Costello
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Tel: 020 7166 3097
Fax: 020 7166 3390
Minicom: 020 7404 0431
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So if any one has any information that could assist in their inquiries this is where you can send it to!


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How do you complain about the IPCC? ;) The Independent Police Complaints Commission Complaints Commission?


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How do you complain about the IPCC? ;) The Independent Police Complaints Commission Complaints Commission?

You have to go to court and I wouldn't rate your chances.


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You could complain to the national ombudsman or your MP?

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Looks like the investigation is over.

300 tickets being overturned.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/300-get-refunds-in-39unsafe39.3648760.jp


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