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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:16 
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More than 400 drivers a month fined in 50mph motorway average speed trap

Cameras which monitor motorists' average speed as they pass roadworks on one of Britain's busiest motorways will have raised almost £1 million in fines by the time they are finally removed next month.

By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:49AM GMT 02 Nov 2008

An average of 427 drivers a month have been caught exceeding the 50mph speed limit on a 10-mile stretch of the M1 in Hertfordshire.

Information obtained from police using freedom of information laws revealed that 12,797 £60 fixed penalty notices were issued, from the introduction of the reduced speed limit, in March 2006 to September this year.

If all the fines have been paid they will have already raised almost £770,000 for the Treasury, with the prospect of a further £65,000 before the roadworks are due to be completed in December.

The Government claims casualty numbers on the road have halved following the introduction of the average speed cameras.

However, the system has proved controversial, with campaigners from the Association of British Drivers claiming it encourages people to "put their cars in cruise control and their minds in neutral" and does not necessarily lead to more responsible driving. Critics have also questioned why the reduced speed limit remains in place at night, when the roads are clearer.

While the M1 cameras are expected to be removed when the roadworks are completed, average speed cameras are expected to be introduced on many more roads across the country next year, as speed camera partnerships adopt a new, more advanced version of the technology.

The M1 cameras monitor drivers' average speeds over 10 miles of both carriageways which are being widened from three lanes to four between the junction with the M25 and Luton.

Independent consultant and member of the Motorists Legal Challenge group Richard Bentley said: "The number of fines suggests that there is something wrong with the limit. We would need to know what time of day these alleged offences took place. It could be that many of them took place at night when there were no works taking place, and that signage was incomplete."

A Hertfordshire Police spokeswoman said providing a more detailed breakdown of the fines would "reveal operational information" about the cameras.

"This could enable the determination of patterns of enforcement which would undoubtedly jeopardise the overall effectiveness of these devices, lessening the deterrent effect in the enforcement of the restricted speed limit," she said.

"This may lead to the encouragement of drivers to breach the limit which poses a significant danger to road users and the safety of the workforce."

The multi-million pound road widening project has seen the normal 70mph speed limit reduced to 50mph.

Cameras are mounted on overhead gantries and record each number plate, day and night, using infra red cameras, imprinting each image with a date and time stamp.

A computer then calculates vehicles' average speeds between the cameras and automatically sends out a £60 fine when a driver breaks the limit.

The section of the M1 which has been widened is due to form part of a Highways Agency pilot scheme for "high occupancy vehicles", which will see one lane reserved for vehicles with two or more passengers.

In September, a senior police officer called for a review into the use of speed cameras.

Ian Johnston, president of the Police Superintendents' Association, said public confidence in the police had been damaged by the constant targeting of motorists with the traps, and said their use should be "reassessed".

Earlier this month Tory-run Swindon Borough Council became the first to get rid of speed cameras after councillor Peter Greenhalgh objected to central Government receiving all the cash from fines while the town hall pays £320,000 a year for the cameras' upkeep. Other councils are considering a similar move.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:46 
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The speed limit was placed to stop workers being endangered.
Clearly the limit was widely ignored bya large number of drivers - none of whom were stopped, so likely sped past other road works too.

So how many highways workers were killed or seriously injured in the inevitable carnage which would have resulted from these drivers exceeding the limit?
Or perhaps the offences took place while the workers were not there? :(

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Why is it that this specs scheme has caught loads of people whereas many others (I'm thinking M27 for example) have hardly caught any?


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I'm surprised they caught anyone. The traffic [in the roadworks] has barely managed to reach double figures during daytime. At night, there are no workers there. Ever.
The roadworks speed limit applies even at 3 in the morning, when there are:
1. No workers.
2. Little traffic

the cameras are ramshackle affairs on wobbly poles monitoring who-knows-what, since they are all over the place...with traffic using the hard shoulder, multiple lanes which vary over distance, and frequently became single lane and switching to the opposite carriageway. It isn't surprising they refused to reveal anything, they probably didn't even know what was what themselves.

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M1 = 10 miles of pointless boredom
M27 = just 3 miles of dangerous narrow lanes.

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427 per month doesn't actually seem that many considering there are probably 1.5 million vehicles a month using the M1.

I hate driving through SPECS enforced sections because it seems to encourage the most obstinate lane hoggers to do their worst. If the limit is 50 I want to be able to do 50 if it is safe to do so. I get very frustrated when I have a long journey in front of me and some idiot decides to block the road doing 40 instead. They never seem to notice the NSL signs at the end of the road works and don't speed up or pull over.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 02:09 
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Ernest Marsh wrote:
The speed limit was placed to stop workers being endangered.
Clearly the limit was widely ignored bya large number of drivers - none of whom were stopped, so likely sped past other road works too.


Umm... have you driven on this section of motorway? From J10-9 southbound, the works were completely finished off back in May, but the SPECS-enforced 50 limit has remained ever since (and looks like it's going to remain until the rest of the works are finished).

If the HA had any common sense, the 50 limit would now start at J9 just before the actual roadworks start, but instead there's 2 miles of pointless 50-limit first. It's not protecting any road workers, and it's easy to see why people are ignoring it...


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Given the total MESS that the roadworks were, and still are, I am surprised that there were not a lot more accidents. Although, since the lane-changing and multitude of contra-flows, and switching from single to two-lane and then back to using the hard shoulder and lane three (with lane two being coned-off but no workers in it) added the spice of confusion to an otherwise boring drive...at barely 20 mph for the most.

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The statiscs provided show that the number caught is 0.58 per hour over the course of one month.
That hardly seems excessive considering the volume per hour. I wonder what that represents as a percentage of the total utilisation per hour.
Anyone care to guesstimate?


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Oh yeah, but on the M27 it was less than one a day. Still a big difference.


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I think you'll find that on the M27, the 'buffer' zones are not enforced. These areas are perfectly normal motorway areas with normal lanes, and the general speed seems to be nearer 70 mph. Within the narrow lane section that is enforced, the speeds seem to drop to between 40 - 50. Could it be that drivers are modifying their driving behaviour to suit the incumbent conditions?

I haven't drivien the M1 section, but I would take a wild guess to suggest that there is a large area of completely normal motorway that is enforced to 50 mph for no good reason.

I think that this shows that motorists in general will not observe a pointless limit.


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As most users of this site are aware a couple of weeks ago there was a serious accident on the M40 which was sadly a fatal one.

As a HGV driver due to the accident I had to (due to running out of driving hours BTW)divert to Heston services for my overnight rest period.

When I left Heston the following morning I joined the M25 to go north to the M1and what do I come across but the 1st gantry (with speed cameras & red circle) displaying the 40mph limit from the previous night.

Now no other gantries were showing any limits from the previous night but as I approached the gantry showing40mph I counted something like at 4.30am approx 20 or so vehicles exceeding the limit by as much as 50 or 60mph (I was complying withthe 40 limit BTW)what I would like to know is a) why was this camera the only one swiched on and showing a limit for no reason & b) how many unfortunate drivers were to receive an NIP within 14 days and they say the cameras are a safety device and not a revenue earning device for the govnmt?

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