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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 14:29 
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It appears that Blackpool council are looking at having a review of where their road safety grant is going, currently £330,000 of the £530,000 they get goes to Lancashire Road Safety Partnership.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Town-hall-bosses-seek-advice.4671925.jp


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 16:46 
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That's a shocking proportion of their budget to go on such a small proportion of the road safety spectrum.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 20:05 
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If Blackpool decided to scrap cameras it would be a really major victory, as the place is crawling with the things - 48 in a relatively compact area - and they have totally eradicated even perfectly sensible 40 limits so they can say "Blackpool - it's 30 or less!"

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 20:51 
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They'll have to keep at least one of the things to stick at the end of the pier.....in the hall of (smoke) and mirrors.


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Perhaps these cams are now not "earning their keep" :scratchchin:


It strikes me each time that we take our kids to the Pleasure Beach for a treat that they have clusters which are a waste of resources. I even thought they would have been better off with SPECS on one road :popcorn: :bunker: given the 50 yard apart quintet of Gatsos :roll:

Oh .. I agree that some of their roads have had speed limits reduced from 40 mph which have served the town's outskirts safely enough for years. I gather from an FOI which someone posted up or published in the press (cannot recall if I saw on -line or in press) -somewhere - that Lancs made use of the "slight collision" "guideline" which allowed for council decisions to lower speed limits , plus an extra fixed camera or a mobile cam haunt to help enforce :roll: .


I would say though that the heart of tourist zone .. usually a crawl in high season/illimination traffic .. might warrant a variable 20 mph on the touristy stretch passing the three piers during the high peak season..

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 23:55 
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In Gear wrote:
Perhaps these cams are now not "earning their keep" :scratchchin:


It strikes me each time that we take our kids to the Pleasure Beach for a treat that they have clusters which are a waste of resources. I even thought they would have been better off with SPECS on one road :popcorn: :bunker: given the 50 yard apart quintet of Gatsos :roll:


Remember that next year it will cost you to enter the Pleasure Beach even if your not going on any rides.

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Oh .. I agree that some of their roads have had speed limits reduced from 40 mph which have served the town's outskirts safely enough for years. I gather from an FOI which someone posted up or published in the press (cannot recall if I saw on -line or in press) -somewhere - that Lancs made use of the "slight collision" "guideline" which allowed for council decisions to lower speed limits , plus an extra fixed camera or a mobile cam haunt to help enforce :roll: .


To be honest I can only think of 2 roads that have had a speed reductions from 40 o 30. The main road from the motorway exit that starts at 40 and then drops to 30. I got caught by the camera in the 30 section and did the awareness course. The other road is St. Wallburgass Road just north of Victoria Hospital, used to be a dual carriageway, that now is down to one lane with a camera each way and a favourite site for a camera van going south bound.


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I would say though that the heart of tourist zone .. usually a crawl in high season/illimination traffic .. might warrant a variable 20 mph on the touristy stretch passing the three piers during the high peak season..


20mph down the promenade in the high season!!! I wish, with the mixture of horse drawn cabs :hoppingmad: and people just walking across the road as if the traffic doesn't exist.

I live by the airport and have customers (hotels) on the promenade. To get to the ones north of the Tower (about 2.5miles) now the season is over will take me 10mins, during the season 30mins+, during the illuminations at the weekend, I've never been daft enough to try it. Trying to get from south Blackpool to the north of town, is a nightmare without using the promenade. There was mention in the local paper the other night that they are looking at reducing the promenade road in front of the Tower from 4 lanes to 2 as they are building a large headland where they want to hold concerts and other events, so they are thinking of narrowing the road and closing it, as well as the tram tracks when these events take place.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 14:00 
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The latest from The Blackpool Gazette

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Fylde speed cameras may get 'fairer'

Published Date: 19 November 2008
By Shelagh Parkinson
FIXED point speed cameras on the Fylde could be replaced with devices which measure a driver's average speed over a set distance.
Road safety chiefs have confirmed they are looking at alternative measures after Blackpool Council leader Coun Peter Callow called for a review of the resort's 48 speed cameras.

He said: "If speed is calculated over a distance, I personally think
that is a fairer system.

"At the moment someone who is perhaps not concentrating as they should for a brief period and goes over the speed limit gets a fine, whereas some speedster, who is cute enough to slow down for the cameras and then steps up the gas when they go past, does not get caught.

"It is something that I'm sure our scrutiny committee would want to discuss."

Coun Callow called for a review in the wake of the decision by Swindon Council to axe its speed cameras.

The regeneration and tourism scrutiny overview committee will hear from the council's road safety chief, Carol Bracegirdle, at its next meeting on December 11 before deciding whether or not to investigate the issue.

Lancashire Road Safety Partnership project manager Linda Sanderson said speed-over-distance cameras had already been piloted on the county's motorways and would be considered for other areas, including Blackpool, in coming years – depending on financial constraints.

She said: "We are proposing to look at the newest technology and slowly introduce it as and when."

"We will look at the provision of cameras in Blackpool and look at what is the most appropriate means of slowing traffic down."

Transport secretary Geoff Hoon has already given his backing to the use of speed-over-distance cameras instead of fixed point devices.

He said the latter were viewed by the public as unfair whereas limits set by average-speed were largely observed by motorists.

Since speed cameras were introduced in 2002, the number of children injured on Blackpool's roads has dropped from 159 to 104 last year, according to figures.


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Since speed cameras were introduced in 2002, the number of children injured on Blackpool's roads has dropped from 159 to 104 last year, according to figures

A real classic of doublespeak. The impression is given that the reduction is due to cameras but they don't actually say this and thus they can't be caught out.

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